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#4544658 - 10/16/17 05:55 AM Manufacturer's Take Note
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Stuff that really grinds my gears that manufacturers need to take note on.

1) Vehicles that don't take into account tall people, especially torso tall folks or people with long legs. We aren't getting shorter as society. Can you not allow the seats to go lower down and further back?

2) Uncomfortable seats. So common today. Bad for the lower back, weird positions it puts your hips in.

3) Severely sloped roofs that make it difficult to get in/out of the vehicle without whacking your head or contorting in some way.

4) All steering wheels should tilt/telescope. No exceptions.


What are your pet peeves?



Edited by StevieC (10/16/17 05:57 AM)
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#4544664 - 10/16/17 06:04 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: StevieC]
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Uncomfortable seats are right up there.

The other thing is driving dynamics. If a car has poor throttle response or is otherwise down on power, numb steering, poor turn-in, leans too much, or is otherwise sub standard in the dynamics department, I dislike it.

Not everything needs to be a Honda S2000. However manufacturers do need to work on getting suspension geometry, feel and response correct. The Kia Sorento I recently rented drove quite well. The Hyundai santafe 4 cyl, not so much. They are both in the same class, only one drove like it should.
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#4544665 - 10/16/17 06:08 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: StevieC]
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Yes definitely agree with driving dynamic. My Journey is loud, uncomfortable, doesn't corner well, and you feel everything on the road. Plus there are times I will mash the pedal into the floor and it's like it just won't go. It just groans.
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#4544674 - 10/16/17 06:21 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: StevieC]
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#3 mainly for me. have fun with ingress/egress of a 2013+ Ford Fusion if you're taller than, say, 5'10. At 6'2" it's butt in 1st while gripping roof/A-pillar with left hand, head titled left & chin on chest then rotate hips and torso to the right and into seating position once head is inside without knocking it against the roof line.

Ironically, although a compact suv, my Forester is good ergo's and easy ingress/egress for me.
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#4544676 - 10/16/17 06:23 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: StevieC]
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Many seats are designed for 160lbs individuals.
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#4544679 - 10/16/17 06:28 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: StevieC]
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Yes, there is a vehicle for everyone. I have a criteria for my driving style & needs, which is why I have chosen the vehicles. I don't expect others to agree with me.

I too hate uncomfortable seats. Seats that have too much bolstering as if we were going to drive the car at full tilt on our favorite twisting road all the time.

Infotainment systems with waaaaay tooooo many menus that take your attention away from the road. People want all this stuff when they should be frikken driving and paying attention to their surroundings.
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#4544681 - 10/16/17 06:36 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: StevieC]
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Plastic headlights. PLEASE go back to glass!!
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#4544684 - 10/16/17 06:37 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: StevieC]
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Registered: 05/29/16
Posts: 32
Loc: WI
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Stuff that really grinds my gears that manufacturers need to take note on.

1) Vehicles that don't take into account tall people, especially torso tall folks or people with long legs. We aren't getting shorter as society. Can you not allow the seats to go lower down and further back?

2) Uncomfortable seats. So common today. Bad for the lower back, weird positions it puts your hips in.

3) Severely sloped roofs that make it difficult to get in/out of the vehicle without whacking your head or contorting in some way.

4) All steering wheels should tilt/telescope. No exceptions.


Numbers 1, 2, and 4 for sure!

There is a reason I drive the vehicle I do. While I can get in and out of my wife's Passat, I just can't get the seat into a good enough position for the "long haul" trips, and after sitting in a less than optimal position for the duration of that trip, getting out of the thing just doesn't work well.

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#4544707 - 10/16/17 07:03 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: StevieC]
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Registered: 08/21/08
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
When I go to get a vehicle the sales people always look at me weird when I'm like yeah this seat just doesn't feel right with my bad back or when I have to contort to get into a vehicle without whacking my head and they say. "Oh you are are tall" Yeah no ________ kidding.

I'm usually restricted to SUV's and Vans. frown
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#4544714 - 10/16/17 07:13 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: StevieC]
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Registered: 03/20/11
Posts: 2155
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: StevieC
When I go to get a vehicle the sales people always look at me weird when I'm like yeah this seat just doesn't feel right with my bad back or when I have to contort to get into a vehicle without whacking my head and they say. "Oh you are are tall" Yeah no ________ kidding.

I'm usually restricted to SUV's and Vans. frown


I'm 6'-5" and I've always said, "my first option is fit".

Another pet peeve: pedal placement in auto trans cars. Some brake pedals are so far to the right, it becomes very difficult to left foot brake. I just helped my daughter buy a Mazda CX-3 and it is like this.
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#4544723 - 10/16/17 07:25 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: StevieC]
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Registered: 02/02/12
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Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: StevieC
When I go to get a vehicle the sales people always look at me weird when I'm like yeah this seat just doesn't feel right with my bad back or when I have to contort to get into a vehicle without whacking my head and they say. "Oh you are are tall" Yeah no ________ kidding.

I'm usually restricted to SUV's and Vans. frown


That's why I drive a Crown Vic--I fit in it. I have a long torso and like to sit upright, so that has me in the headliner of lots of cars.
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#4544725 - 10/16/17 07:28 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: StevieC]
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I know but some of us have high gas expenses due to high fuel prices or long distance travel and can't afford to run a V8. I don't understand why they can't make mid size cars fit tall people by allowing the seats to go a little lower and a little further back.

Perfect example: I can't fit in my MIL's 2009 CRV but I could fit in her 1999 CRV. ?!?
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#4544731 - 10/16/17 07:34 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: aquariuscsm]
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Plastic headlights. PLEASE go back to glass!!


YES!
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#4544756 - 10/16/17 07:54 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: StevieC]
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Loc: San Antonio, TX
My main issues are throttle response and no manual transmissions. The ones that do have manuals are beyond my price range or so stripped down I wouldn’t buy it. Would it kill mazdato offer a 6 speed and a sunroof in the mid level car?
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#4544776 - 10/16/17 08:11 AM Re: Manufacturer's Take Note [Re: Gebo]
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Registered: 05/25/05
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Loc: ROCHESTER, NY
Originally Posted By: Gebo
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Plastic headlights. PLEASE go back to glass!!


YES!


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