Recent Topics
Resizing v belt
by RichardS
04/25/18 02:29 PM
Shift Flare When Hot
by Auae85
04/25/18 02:29 PM
Ford F250 factory filter 12,000 miles CUT OPEN
by car51
04/25/18 02:13 PM
neighbors taking my plants. [censored]?
by motor_oil_madman
04/25/18 02:08 PM
Additive Chemistry Components II
by MolaKule
04/25/18 01:33 PM
People text me but message not viewable??
by Mr Nice
04/25/18 01:16 PM
Noisy lifter 30s after start up: MMO & which oil?
by Thugzy
04/25/18 01:01 PM
100 Octane vs 91 Octane
by mbacfp
04/25/18 12:52 PM
OE Wiper Blades
by Char Baby
04/25/18 12:38 PM
Champ XL filters
by PiperOne
04/25/18 12:27 PM
Ubuntu 16.04 LTS stopped receiving updates
by Quattro Pete
04/25/18 12:23 PM
Cheap oil filter cutters?
by irv
04/25/18 11:02 AM
Ford 1.5 EcoBoost P2243
by dogememe
04/25/18 10:24 AM
Ethanol free gas
by CT8
04/25/18 09:40 AM
Husq 322L, how to convert to brush cutter?
by andyd
04/25/18 08:37 AM
Do you ever use a gear selection other than D?
by ZZman
04/25/18 08:00 AM
BITOG Detail and Wax - Top Picks
by gofast182
04/25/18 07:32 AM
Inherited gallons of Amsoil 40wt oils all cars 30w
by Rmay635703
04/25/18 06:47 AM
Oil Filter Recommendations for a 82 trans am
by GMguy84
04/25/18 05:24 AM
Teflon tape vs. paste
by dlundblad
04/25/18 04:13 AM
Newest Members
emod, Rmay635703, Rabbits, Poolcueti, Burrito97
64846 Registered Users
Who's Online
99 registered (amblerman, 28oz, aquariuscsm, Auae85, Ag76, bbhero, 7 invisible), 1979 Guests and 38 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
64846 Members
68 Forums
282326 Topics
4713525 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#4539261 - 10/10/17 03:41 PM Problems With Rustproofing Gun.
George7941 Offline


Registered: 05/10/05
Posts: 2112
Loc: Toronto, Canada


I have used this gun for a couple of years with thin undercoating oil and have had no issues. Yesterday I tried spraying dripless undercoating oil which is somewhat thick and had waxy agglomerations in it. This is the place where I bought the oil
http://www.monarchoil.com/products.php?cat=11
The product is WSUNDDRI

It was 20C/70F ambient yesterday and the oil would just not come out of the gun. I turned the pressure up to 70 psi (did not want to go higher since I did not relish the thought of a oil bath) and the oil still would not flow.

I am thinking of buying a Schutz gun at Canadian Tire
http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/schutz-siphon-gun-0475761p.html
Will it spray the dripless oil?
_________________________
2006 GMC Sierra 4.3l, NV3500,G80 , Mobil 1 5W30, Dexcool.
1987 BMW R80 - sold
2015 Honda CBR300R

Staying out of the right lane a lot.

Top
#4539269 - 10/10/17 03:47 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: George7941]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 41458
Loc: New Jersey
Start with the basics. There's not much to this...

Hose collapsed? That would be my bet.

Clog in outlet or intake?

Some sort of o-ring or seal?

Top
#4539271 - 10/10/17 03:48 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: George7941]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29404
Loc: NY
If the gun is working properly the next step would be did you try thoroughly mixing and thinning the product?
_________________________
God Bless Our Troops


Top
#4539277 - 10/10/17 03:51 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: George7941]
George7941 Offline


Registered: 05/10/05
Posts: 2112
Loc: Toronto, Canada
None of the above. After realizing that the gun would not spray the thick oil I filled the container with thin oil and had no problem spraying it. With the thick oil air would come out out not the oil.

The thin oil is about the consistency of ATF.
_________________________
2006 GMC Sierra 4.3l, NV3500,G80 , Mobil 1 5W30, Dexcool.
1987 BMW R80 - sold
2015 Honda CBR300R

Staying out of the right lane a lot.

Top
#4539280 - 10/10/17 03:54 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: demarpaint]
George7941 Offline


Registered: 05/10/05
Posts: 2112
Loc: Toronto, Canada
No, I did not try mixing or thinning the oil. The Schutz guns seem to be able to handle tarry undercoating, so I expect it can handle thick oil.
_________________________
2006 GMC Sierra 4.3l, NV3500,G80 , Mobil 1 5W30, Dexcool.
1987 BMW R80 - sold
2015 Honda CBR300R

Staying out of the right lane a lot.

Top
#4539281 - 10/10/17 03:54 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: demarpaint]
JC1 Offline


Registered: 11/29/08
Posts: 2812
Loc: Oshawa, Ontario Canada
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Did you try thoroughly mixing and thinning the product?


Try to mix it.

I just sprayed fluid film this weekend and it wouldn't come out of the nozzle at first. Had to adjust the amount of threads attached to the gun nozzle to get the fluid to spray out properly. Maybe try to spray water only first to see if the gun is working.
Also make sure the cannister isn't full of rustproofing to the top. It may need some room for the air to do its thing.


Edited by JC1 (10/10/17 03:55 PM)
_________________________
2015 Grand Caravan SXT Plus 5w-20 PPPP/Wix Filter
1997 Honda Civic CX 5w-30 PPPP/Mahle Filter

Top
#4539284 - 10/10/17 03:55 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: George7941]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29404
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: George7941
None of the above. After realizing that the gun would not spray the thick oil I filled the container with thin oil and had no problem spraying it. With the thick oil air would come out out not the oil.


Try thinning the product to get it to properly atomize. The thinner will flash off and the product will remain and protect the surface. I had the same problem with a different gun, my buddy reminded me to thin the product. I was hoping it would spray as it came out of the pail, that wasn't the case.
_________________________
God Bless Our Troops


Top
#4539294 - 10/10/17 04:01 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: demarpaint]
George7941 Offline


Registered: 05/10/05
Posts: 2112
Loc: Toronto, Canada
Would diesel fuel be a good thinner?
_________________________
2006 GMC Sierra 4.3l, NV3500,G80 , Mobil 1 5W30, Dexcool.
1987 BMW R80 - sold
2015 Honda CBR300R

Staying out of the right lane a lot.

Top
#4539318 - 10/10/17 04:14 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: George7941]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 32384
Loc: ME
Originally Posted By: George7941
Would diesel fuel be a good thinner?


no b/c it would stick around. Mineral spirits would flash off, leaving your original undercoating at its sticky tacky viscosity.

Top
#4539429 - 10/10/17 06:17 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: George7941]
Ducked Offline


Registered: 10/25/12
Posts: 4076
Loc: Taiwan
I'd try pre-heating the goo in a double boiler, and then either putting the blue cannister thing in a bucket of very hot water from time to time, and/or insulating it, perhaps with one or more of those silvery plastic coffee bean bags, because i have some.

One of the reasons I dont like the UK product Waxoyl. Clog City Central. A windmill in old Amsterdam.


Edited by Ducked (10/10/17 06:29 PM)

Top
#4539448 - 10/10/17 06:36 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: George7941]
Ducked Offline


Registered: 10/25/12
Posts: 4076
Loc: Taiwan
(If you thin it with white spirit as well, which was the Waxoyl recommendation and not very effective on its own, you of course have to be a bit careful with the naked flame thing when heating.)

Top
#4539508 - 10/10/17 07:43 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: George7941]
KrisZ Offline


Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7292
Loc: Toronto, Canada
I believe you need to change the attachment for the thicker stuff, or simply remove the one in the picture. That hose is most likely too thin. From the picture it looks like you can unscrew it and you will be left with a wide nozzle. I bet it will spray fine out of that. However you can probably use it for undercarriage like that, for cavities, where the hose attachment has to be used, I would switch to a thinner product.

For thinning the existing product, WD40 works great, but then it will not last as long in the high wash areas.
_________________________
2015 Dodge Grand Caravan-21k miles.
2006 Mazda 3-155k miles

Top
#4539514 - 10/10/17 07:50 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: eljefino]
George7941 Offline


Registered: 05/10/05
Posts: 2112
Loc: Toronto, Canada
Too bad about the diesel fuel because I have twenty litres of diesel contaminated with two litres of gasoline that I do not want to burn in a late model diesel engine.

I will try thinning it but I would still like to know if a Schutz gun can handle this oil. I see youtube videos of Schutz guns spraying thick rubberized undercoating and that undercoating appears to be thicker than the dripless undercoating.
_________________________
2006 GMC Sierra 4.3l, NV3500,G80 , Mobil 1 5W30, Dexcool.
1987 BMW R80 - sold
2015 Honda CBR300R

Staying out of the right lane a lot.

Top
#4539540 - 10/10/17 08:10 PM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: George7941]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29404
Loc: NY
I'd cut it with Mineral Spirits, just enough to get it to work properly.
_________________________
God Bless Our Troops


Top
#4539744 - 10/11/17 12:41 AM Re: Problems With Rustproofing Gun. [Re: George7941]
Ducked Offline


Registered: 10/25/12
Posts: 4076
Loc: Taiwan
Originally Posted By: George7941
Too bad about the diesel fuel because I have twenty litres of diesel contaminated with two litres of gasoline that I do not want to burn in a late model diesel engine.



It'd work, but as suggested above, it'll keep the goop runnier for longer, which might make it more vulnerable to wash off.

OTOH if the goop tends to over-harden with time (like Waxoyl did) it'll delay that. Probably better inside cavities/box sections.

Not sure about the safety aspect of the 10% petrol, though I might chance it.


Edited by Ducked (10/11/17 12:43 AM)

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >