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RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? #4538169
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Looking around on the Blauparts website as my 2017 A4 is coming up on its 20k oci, the first one I'll do as the first one was included by Audi and they are suggesting RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40. VI of 171, noack of 8.8 seem pretty good but tbn of 7.2 and sulfated ash of .77 makes it seem like a diesel oil i would have used in my TDI.
But on the Ravenol website the 0w-40 looks to be a much better choice with a VI of 182 and noack of 8.5 with a tbn of 10 and sulfated ash of 1.21. Why such a big difference?


2011 VW JETTA Castrol Edge 0W-40
2012 FORD TRANSIT CONNECT Castrol Edge 5W-20
2016 HONDA CIVIC COUPE Castrol Edge 0W-20
2017 AUDI A4 Ravenol SSL 0W-40
Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: dbias] #4538196
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the 5W40 is low-saps, the 0W40 is full saps

Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: dbias] #4538291
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Yep 5W40 is probably a low or mid SAPS C3 oil, while the 0W40 is a full SAPS A3/B4 oil.

This second point is just a big guess, but often a 0W40 is a Group IV PAO oil while a 5W40 can often be a Group IiI or IIi+ oil. I haven't looked at Ravenol products datasheets, so I don't know for sure, but it may be another point of difference.


Penrite Vantage 10W40 SN & A3/B4 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: dbias] #4538633
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Originally Posted By: dbias
Looking around on the Blauparts website as my 2017 A4 is coming up on its 20k oci, the first one I'll do as the first one was included by Audi and they are suggesting RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40. VI of 171, noack of 8.8 seem pretty good but tbn of 7.2 and sulfated ash of .77 makes it seem like a diesel oil i would have used in my TDI.
But on the Ravenol website the 0w-40 looks to be a much better choice with a VI of 182 and noack of 8.5 with a tbn of 10 and sulfated ash of 1.21. Why such a big difference?

You already using Castrol 0W40, so use it in Audi too.


15' Toyota Sienna AWD (Mobil1 0W20 EP+ FRAM Ultra).
11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (Castrol 0W40+MANN filter)
Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: SR5] #4539551
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Originally Posted By: SR5
Yep 5W40 is probably a low or mid SAPS C3 oil, while the 0W40 is a full SAPS A3/B4 oil.

This second point is just a big guess, but often a 0W40 is a Group IV PAO oil while a 5W40 can often be a Group IiI or IIi+ oil. I haven't looked at Ravenol products datasheets, so I don't know for sure, but it may be another point of difference.


That was my guess, 0w40 was pao, but Ravenol States the 5w40 to be pao but doesn't state this in the description of the 0w40.


2011 VW JETTA Castrol Edge 0W-40
2012 FORD TRANSIT CONNECT Castrol Edge 5W-20
2016 HONDA CIVIC COUPE Castrol Edge 0W-20
2017 AUDI A4 Ravenol SSL 0W-40
Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: dbias] #4542228
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Originally Posted By: dbias
Looking around on the Blauparts website as my 2017 A4 is coming up on its 20k oci, the first one I'll do as the first one was included by Audi and they are suggesting RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40. VI of 171, noack of 8.8 seem pretty good but tbn of 7.2 and sulfated ash of .77 makes it seem like a diesel oil i would have used in my TDI.
But on the Ravenol website the 0w-40 looks to be a much better choice with a VI of 182 and noack of 8.5 with a tbn of 10 and sulfated ash of 1.21. Why such a big difference?


They have some good stuff, but their website suggests oil products that don't have the manufacturers approval. For instance, when I search for my SUV, it suggests oils that do not have BMW LL-01 approval. So, you have to look up the correct oil for that oil manufacturer before selecting a product on their site.
"Trust, but verify" smile


04Ford Explorer PUP 5W-30/Puro PSL
99MB CLK320 Redline 5W-30/Mahle
09 BMW X5 3.0i Redline 5W-30/Mahle
11MB E350 Bluetec PP EuroL 5W-30/OEM
Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: IllinoisSparky] #4542405
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Originally Posted By: IllinoisSparky
Originally Posted By: dbias
Looking around on the Blauparts website as my 2017 A4 is coming up on its 20k oci, the first one I'll do as the first one was included by Audi and they are suggesting RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40. VI of 171, noack of 8.8 seem pretty good but tbn of 7.2 and sulfated ash of .77 makes it seem like a diesel oil i would have used in my TDI.
But on the Ravenol website the 0w-40 looks to be a much better choice with a VI of 182 and noack of 8.5 with a tbn of 10 and sulfated ash of 1.21. Why such a big difference?


They have some good stuff, but their website suggests oil products that don't have the manufacturers approval. For instance, when I search for my SUV, it suggests oils that do not have BMW LL-01 approval. So, you have to look up the correct oil for that oil manufacturer before selecting a product on their site.
"Trust, but verify" smile


Yeah my whole question was the difference in recommendations btwn Blauparts website and Ravenols website. Looking around though I found the 0W40 and love its numbers. Hths of 3.7 and low noack are pretty impressive. I wish Castrol edge 0W40 info was as detailed.


2011 VW JETTA Castrol Edge 0W-40
2012 FORD TRANSIT CONNECT Castrol Edge 5W-20
2016 HONDA CIVIC COUPE Castrol Edge 0W-20
2017 AUDI A4 Ravenol SSL 0W-40
Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: dbias] #4543759
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Ravenol Germany describes it clearly as "Vollsynthetisch", so it must be Group IV.

http://www.ravenol.de/produkte/verwendung/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-vmo-sae-5w-40.html

Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: dbias] #4543980
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And you can purchase it in the 20 litre bag-in-a-box from Ravenol America!
http://www.ravenolamerica.com/motor-oil/0w-40-motor-oil-ravenol-low-friction-oil-ssl/

Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: bigj_16] #4544365
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Originally Posted By: bigj_16
And you can purchase it in the 20 litre bag-in-a-box from Ravenol America!
http://www.ravenolamerica.com/motor-oil/0w-40-motor-oil-ravenol-low-friction-oil-ssl/


A 20 litre bag in a box would cover 3 oil changes and be cheaper than getting a 5 litre and a single bottle for each one.
Ive had wine in a box so this might be something to consider.lol


2011 VW JETTA Castrol Edge 0W-40
2012 FORD TRANSIT CONNECT Castrol Edge 5W-20
2016 HONDA CIVIC COUPE Castrol Edge 0W-20
2017 AUDI A4 Ravenol SSL 0W-40
Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: dbias] #4544492
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That's is some serious cold weather stuff. Dig you see the pour point. -60 C. -76 F!

Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: dbias] #4544495
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Originally Posted By: dbias
Originally Posted By: bigj_16
And you can purchase it in the 20 litre bag-in-a-box from Ravenol America!
http://www.ravenolamerica.com/motor-oil/0w-40-motor-oil-ravenol-low-friction-oil-ssl/


A 20 litre bag in a box would cover 3 oil changes and be cheaper than getting a 5 litre and a single bottle for each one.
Ive had wine in a box so this might be something to consider.lol

That is actually 21 quarts.

Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: bigj_16] #4545136
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Originally Posted By: bigj_16
Originally Posted By: dbias
Originally Posted By: bigj_16
And you can purchase it in the 20 litre bag-in-a-box from Ravenol America!
http://www.ravenolamerica.com/motor-oil/0w-40-motor-oil-ravenol-low-friction-oil-ssl/


A 20 litre bag in a box would cover 3 oil changes and be cheaper than getting a 5 litre and a single bottle for each one.
Ive had wine in a box so this might be something to consider.lol

That is actually 21 quarts.



yeah thats 5.5 quarts per oil change so about 3 and a half oil changes per box.


2011 VW JETTA Castrol Edge 0W-40
2012 FORD TRANSIT CONNECT Castrol Edge 5W-20
2016 HONDA CIVIC COUPE Castrol Edge 0W-20
2017 AUDI A4 Ravenol SSL 0W-40
Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: edyvw] #4550473
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: dbias
Looking around on the Blauparts website as my 2017 A4 is coming up on its 20k oci, the first one I'll do as the first one was included by Audi and they are suggesting RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40. VI of 171, noack of 8.8 seem pretty good but tbn of 7.2 and sulfated ash of .77 makes it seem like a diesel oil i would have used in my TDI.
But on the Ravenol website the 0w-40 looks to be a much better choice with a VI of 182 and noack of 8.5 with a tbn of 10 and sulfated ash of 1.21. Why such a big difference?

You already using Castrol 0W40, so use it in Audi too.


Just changed the oil and used Castrol 0W40. Neither of my local Walmarts seem to be carrying the Castrol 0W40 anymore, not even a shelf sticker for it. Was tempted to use the M1 0W40 but decided to look around and found 5qts of Castrol 0W40 and a filter for $32 and change. The filter amount was allowing for $8.69 i believe and the A4 filter was $21, but I'm NOT using it as I had already gotten the filter at my local VW dealer for $10. So it was actually cheaper to by the filter too as opposed to 6 qts at 9.99 a piece. Will try and take it back later lol.
This was my first experience with a top side oil change and it was too easy. The virtual cockpit screen screamed to add oil immediately as i turned the dash on to pull up the oil level screen and didn't go away till it had put 4 qts in it which showed a bit above low, the 5th qt brought it up to just a hair under full and I put in the other half qt just because the manual says 5.5 qts (plus the oil level meter wasn't taking into account there was a bone dry cartridge filter that needed to be filled)


2011 VW JETTA Castrol Edge 0W-40
2012 FORD TRANSIT CONNECT Castrol Edge 5W-20
2016 HONDA CIVIC COUPE Castrol Edge 0W-20
2017 AUDI A4 Ravenol SSL 0W-40
Re: RAVENOL VMO SAE 5W-40 Group 4 PAO? [Re: ChristianReske] #4550893
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Originally Posted By: ChristianReske
Ravenol Germany describes it clearly as "Vollsynthetisch", so it must be Group IV.

http://www.ravenol.de/produkte/verwendung/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-vmo-sae-5w-40.html


Not necessarily and you ought to know. Quite a few companies use this term whenever they can. Check out RAVENOL Super Synthetic "Hydrocrack" SSH SAE 0W-30

Why call it Hydrocrack if it indeed is vollsynthetisch and how can a vollsynthetisches 0w-30 have a -39C pour point?

Motul has at least one 10w-40 UHPD-type HDEO with a PP in the -33 to -36C range that they are trying to sell as vollsynthetisch. Violating the vollsynthetisch rule in Germany has little consequence, obviously. So has emission fraud, as we all know.


Been using EVER-SEEZ and Neverseal on all my stuff - I got it for free!
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