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2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils #4537057
10/08/17 10:48 AM
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Looking through the 2018 F150 owners manuals I see that Ford finally has a chart for outside temperatures and oil recommendations. Before it was just 5w-20 for the non turbo engines and 5w-30 for the Ecoboost line. Its about time they got with the times and recommended 0 winter oils for their gas engines! Anyone using 0w-20 or 0w-30 in their trucks? 5.0, 3.5, 2.7? I'm considering it for my next change on my 2016 5.0 especially with winter around the corner.

Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: advocate] #4537079
10/08/17 11:03 AM
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Could you post the chart, or an approximation?

Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: advocate] #4537132
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Ford's recommending 0W oils ? Time to party! getdown

Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: advocate] #4537136
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2018 F150 owners manual


Its in the manual. Starting from page 418 for the specs and capacities of all the engines including the yet to be released 3.0 duratorq diesel engine.

Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: Merkava_4] #4537138
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Ford's recommending 0W oils ? Time to party! getdown


Soon they rescind that and go back to 5w-30 like they did before would be where the smart money is going.


2004 Corolla 126813
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74478
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4537153
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Soon they rescind that and go back to 5w-30 like they did before would be where the smart money is going.


Imagine if Ford came out with a tsb telling people to bump up the viscosity to a 20W50. I bet the BITOG server would have a total meltdown haha laugh


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Pennzoil Platinum 5W20

Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4537168
10/08/17 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Soon they rescind that and go back to 5w-30 like they did before would be where the smart money is going.

There's nothing wrong with a 0w-30 in a 5w-30 application, and do note that some 0w-30 options are significantly thicker than some 5w-30 options, particularly the 5w-30 varieties Ford would recommend.


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, NAPA Gold 7356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: aquariuscsm] #4537183
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Imagine if Ford came out with a tsb telling people to bump up the viscosity to a 20W50. I bet the BITOG server would have a total meltdown haha laugh


LOL! LOL

Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: advocate] #4537195
10/08/17 12:54 PM
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0wXX

Wahoo!

Er...wait a minute...why is this a good thing? Or a necessary thing?


Multiple Diesel and Gasoline vehicles
Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: advocate] #4537197
10/08/17 12:55 PM
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If I owned one of those EcoBoost Ford pickup engines I'd certainly look carefully at a couple of UOA's. That's a lot of power from some small engines.

I run Red Line 0w-30 in my V8 4Runner that is driven a lot in the desert and tows a horse trailer on some pretty bad roads. The last UOA I posted here is an indication that I've made a good choice both in the vehicle and the oil. I would not run a Xw-20 weight oil in a work vehicle.

Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: Garak] #4537198
10/08/17 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Soon they rescind that and go back to 5w-30 like they did before would be where the smart money is going.

There's nothing wrong with a 0w-30 in a 5w-30 application, and do note that some 0w-30 options are significantly thicker than some 5w-30 options, particularly the 5w-30 varieties Ford would recommend.


Which varieties would Ford recommend?

The problem with your post is your assumption that everyone knows as much about oil as you.

Sadly, 99% of F150 owners would not know which 0w30s are thicker than which 5w30s.

If I were a current F150 owner I would have to include myself on that list.


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Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: OneEyeJack] #4537203
10/08/17 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
If I owned one of those EcoBoost Ford pickup engines I'd certainly look carefully at a couple of UOA's. That's a lot of power from some small engines.

I run Red Line 0w-30 in my V8 4Runner that is driven a lot in the desert and tows a horse trailer on some pretty bad roads. The last UOA I posted here is an indication that I've made a good choice both in the vehicle and the oil. I would not run a Xw-20 weight oil in a work vehicle.


OldOneEye,

Is there a reason you need a 0w rather than just a 10w in your temperatures? Are your night time desert temps that chilly?

Thanks


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Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: ArcticDriver] #4537208
10/08/17 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
Which varieties would Ford recommend?

Ford would recommend an SN/GF-5 5w-30, an ILSAC variety, as they have for many years, of course, with their own little proprietary number, too. Something like GC 0w-30 or Delvac Elite 222 0w-30 has a significantly higher HTHS than any of those 5w-30 varieties.

Within Ford recommendations, though, something like M1 0w-30 AFE and M1 5w-30 would be functionally identical for most users, with similar HTHS.


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, NAPA Gold 7356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: ArcticDriver] #4537211
10/08/17 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Soon they rescind that and go back to 5w-30 like they did before would be where the smart money is going.

There's nothing wrong with a 0w-30 in a 5w-30 application, and do note that some 0w-30 options are significantly thicker than some 5w-30 options, particularly the 5w-30 varieties Ford would recommend.


Which varieties would Ford recommend?

The problem with your post is your assumption that everyone knows as much about oil as you.

Sadly, 99% of F150 owners would not know which 0w30s are thicker than which 5w30s.

If I were a current F150 owner I would have to include myself on that list.


I think your missing Garak's point. The difference between 0w30 and 5w30 is insignificant at above zero temps, with some 0w30 being slightly thicker, but still in the 30 range. The average consumer wouldn't need to discern between the two or know as much about oil as he does. wink


18 Sportage 2.4L AWD: Mobil1 Annual Protection 5W20 + Mobil1-104A + e air WIX10335
13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T: Pennzoil Platinum 10W30 + FRAM XG9688 + e air WIX49670

Re: 2018 Ford F150 finally recommending 0w oils [Re: advocate] #4537216
10/08/17 01:11 PM
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What is kind of interesting is that the 0W-30 Motorcraft oil is a different spec(WSS-M2C953-A1) than the 5W-30 oil. However, Mobil 1 claims their 0W-30 AFE meets the 946 standard of Ford's 5W-30.

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