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Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard #4536660
10/07/17 11:26 PM
10/07/17 11:26 PM
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Canada
camrydriver111 Offline OP
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When I was first getting into cars the internet oil gurus were telling me to avoid the Fram Extra Guard. It even has the nickname OCOD.

It seems like the dislike of the Extra Guard was due to the construction. Now it seems like there has been a reversal of opinion on the OCOD. People are saying the paper ends function just fine, and the filtering efficiency is actually better than OEM filters.

What exactly happened? Were people too hung up on physical appearance or were there some product changes? Did the oil gurus get it wrong?

Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: camrydriver111] #4536663
10/07/17 11:30 PM
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Beware of the internet experts.


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2018 Ford F350 6.2
Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: camrydriver111] #4536667
10/07/17 11:33 PM
10/07/17 11:33 PM
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Martinsburg West Virginia
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Why get a cardboard filter, when you can get a well constructed one, for the same money, from a different brand? That's how I look at it.


15 Chevy Sonic RS M1 Dexos1 / Delco filter
99 VW Beetle TDI M1TDT / Mann filter
98 Buick LeSabre PHM + G oil / Bosch filter
85 Skylark 2.5
71 Nova 250
Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: camrydriver111] #4536669
10/07/17 11:34 PM
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Yes people were scared of physical appearance and thought fiber.. Bad! Metal... Good!

It also didn't help with people abusing filters and posting dissections of the carnage with sludge in the filters. Smart people see an abused fitler, idiots see a bad filter.


2012 Chevy Cruze LT 1.4T - 50k
2002 Buick Century 130k - Built 4T65e(Maxlife) - Edge 0w40 + Fram XG3980
Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: 71Chevyguy] #4536672
10/07/17 11:36 PM
10/07/17 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: 71Chevyguy
Why get a cardboard filter, when you can get a well constructed one, for the same money, from a different brand? That's how I look at it.

What's your definition of well constructed?

Plenty of metal end cap filters with multiple issues.

There are also many filters on the market without metal end caps that work fine without any problems.

Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: ZeeOSix] #4536674
10/07/17 11:38 PM
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Exactlamente Zee0six.


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Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: camrydriver111] #4536684
10/07/17 11:49 PM
10/07/17 11:49 PM
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West Ma.
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Originally Posted By: camrydriver111
When I was first getting into cars the internet oil gurus were telling me to avoid the Fram Extra Guard. It even has the nickname OCOD.

It seems like the dislike of the Extra Guard was due to the construction. Now it seems like there has been a reversal of opinion on the OCOD. People are saying the paper ends function just fine, and the filtering efficiency is actually better than OEM filters.

What exactly happened? Were people too hung up on physical appearance or were there some product changes? Did the oil gurus get it wrong?


Get a fram ultra and forget about it... approved


Pete.
97 Ford Expl.Sport 4.0 ohv 4wd 5spddrive184k miles
Last Change;
Penn. Plat. HM. 5w30
Fram xg8a, Fram CA8141

I like my oil (slippery).

Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: camrydriver111] #4536693
10/07/17 11:57 PM
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I think everyone was just hung up on the "cardboard" end caps. The truth is they are good filters for what they are designed to do. I just choose to go with the Fram Ultra since they are only a couple dollars more but can be used for a much longer OCI. They are also built like a tank.


2012 Honda Accord EX-L K24z3
54,xxx miles
PPPP 0w20 / Fram Ultra

2014 VW Jetta SE 1.8T ea888
40,xxx miles
Castrol OEM dealer fill / OEM filter
Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: camrydriver111] #4536702
10/08/17 12:08 AM
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This is the second thread that I've seen today about this...

horse

Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: 71Chevyguy] #4536728
10/08/17 01:04 AM
10/08/17 01:04 AM
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CR94 Offline
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Originally Posted By: 71Chevyguy
Why get a cardboard filter, when you can get a well constructed one, for the same money, from a different brand? ...
Because sometimes "cardboard" is better, and you aren't qualified to tell the difference. Plastic can function well, too.


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1981 Mazda GLC (323) retired at 606K
1972 Subaru DL retired at 190K
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Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: camrydriver111] #4536741
10/08/17 01:44 AM
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Don't judge a book by its cover, it does its job just fine.

It's like 20 years ago buying a new Toyota Camry for commuting. Yeah it's slow, ugly, and doesn't have all the bells and whistles, but it gets you from point A to point B without any grief.


2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L 84k Mobil 1 AFE 0w30 & OEM
2000 Toyota Camry 2.2L 230k Valvoline 5w30 & Fram Ultra
1996 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L 147k Mobil 1 HM 10w40 & Fram Ultra
Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: camrydriver111] #4536781
10/08/17 05:01 AM
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I ran them for decades along with Mobil 1 filters before joining here, I never had a problem with them. Then I made the mistake of switching to Purolator filters, go figure. At the moment I'm only using Fram Ultra filters.


God Bless Our Troops

Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: camrydriver111] #4536794
10/08/17 05:59 AM
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Soviet State of Washington
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99.999% of owners do not cut open their filters, thus they don't know the quality inside. Quality is judged by how hefty and strong the filter is outside. Millions and millions of miles are driven and there have been no stories in the news of faulty oil filters. If anything the fault lies with the installation.

Run the filter brand you trust. No need to worry over nothing.


2017 Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring

Valvoline Advanced Synthetic 0w20
Mobil 1 M108A EP filter

Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: 71Chevyguy] #4536795
10/08/17 05:59 AM
10/08/17 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: 71Chevyguy
Why get a cardboard filter, when you can get a well constructed one, for the same money, from a different brand? That's how I look at it.

Please explain.


06 Escalade 6.0L LQ9 AWD 165k M1 5w30
03 Maxima 3.5L POS 152k ST HM 10w30
Re: Opinion Reversal on Fram Extraguard [Re: camrydriver111] #4536797
10/08/17 06:06 AM
10/08/17 06:06 AM
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Atleast they are not known for tearing.I would take the cardboard over tearing anyday.


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