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Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy #4534543
10/05/17 10:45 AM
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10,000 miles and about a year on the filter. I think it did it's job, the pleat spacing near the seam was a bit wide. Did not affect functionality. Also the bypass valve was not seated properly, but did function when I pushed it. First time I've seen a Fram with a defective looking, BUT FUNCTIONING bypass.


Filter was full of oil.

After I drained some out.

Eek! It still worked.















2004 Toyota Solara SE 2.4 2AZFE
182,000 miles
Castrol Magnatec Semi-Syn 5W30
Royal Purple 20-400 oversize 2nd run
Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: THafeez] #4534549
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Did ya get a picture of every pleat?????
JK
sort of ...


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: dnewton3] #4534551
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Did ya get a picture of every pleat?????
JK
sort of ...

Go big or go home right?


2004 Toyota Solara SE 2.4 2AZFE
182,000 miles
Castrol Magnatec Semi-Syn 5W30
Royal Purple 20-400 oversize 2nd run
Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: THafeez] #4534552
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The bypass valve was probably like that from the factory. Can't see how the 2 legs could dislodge and move if they were positioned correctly to start with. Looks good otherwise - thanks for the C&P.


Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: ZeeOSix] #4534554
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Agreed. From what I saw, 2 of the plastic tabs were too short so they couldn't grip the spring like the other two.


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Castrol Magnatec Semi-Syn 5W30
Royal Purple 20-400 oversize 2nd run
Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: THafeez] #4534560
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Originally Posted By: THafeez
Agreed. From what I saw, 2 of the plastic tabs were too short so they couldn't grip the spring like the other two.

The spring just needs to be compressed a little more for those 2 tangs to capture the very end of the spring like the other 2 tangs that are correct.

Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: THafeez] #4534570
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That's it, no more Ultras for me!


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Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: ZeeOSix] #4534572
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The bypass valve was probably like that from the factory. Can't see how the 2 legs could dislodge and move if they were positioned correctly to start with. Looks good otherwise - thanks for the C&P.



First bad ultra that i've seen on here, hope your's is a very rare one... Other wise looks good for a 10,000 mile run...Thank's for the pics...


Pete.
97 Ford Expl.Sport 4.0 ohv 4wd 5spddrive185k miles
Last Change;
50/50 QSUD, QSHM. 5w30
Fram XG8A, Fram CA8141

Currently under the influence of oil shocked2

Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: rollinpete] #4534584
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Fram uses the same bypass valve on all their filter models. First time this has been seen here, so I'd say a very rare occurance.

Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: THafeez] #4534585
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Thanks for sharing! BITOG changed my way of thinking. Ultra is an outstanding oil filter.


Respectfully,

Pajero!


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Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: THafeez] #4534605
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How do we know that the bypass valve was functioning? Not denying this, I'm just asking.


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1998 Honda Civic DX; 202,000 miles
Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: THafeez] #4534612
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Pleat spacing is normal as per every Ultra I have ever seen so nothing peculiar there. Where the tabs on the bypass broken or was the spring simply not compressed enough for them to have gone over the spring and engaged it?

Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: paulri] #4534615
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Originally Posted By: paulri
How do we know that the bypass valve was functioning? Not denying this, I'm just asking.


Wondering myself does this make it a higher or lower psi bypass or is it the same? I've never tested these things out so how they exactly works is beyond me...Can anyone on here explain it? (curious minds want to know)... hornets


Pete.
97 Ford Expl.Sport 4.0 ohv 4wd 5spddrive185k miles
Last Change;
50/50 QSUD, QSHM. 5w30
Fram XG8A, Fram CA8141

Currently under the influence of oil shocked2

Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: THafeez] #4534653
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I would think that the bypass would open a little bit easier (less force needed) so it would lower the psi needed to open it.


2015 Mercedes Sprinter, 2.1 4cyl diesel, 42k
2011 Volkswagen Jetta Sportwagen TDI, 100k
2004 Dodge Sprinter 2.7 5cyl diesel,779k
Except for chainsaws and lawnmowers, no sparkplugs needed in my stable.
Re: Fram Ultra XG4386 10,000 miles CUT OPEN pic heavy [Re: rollinpete] #4534684
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Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Pleat spacing is normal as per every Ultra I have ever seen so nothing peculiar there. Where the tabs on the bypass broken or was the spring simply not compressed enough for them to have gone over the spring and engaged it?


At least one tab looks like it wasn't molded properly. I tried to engage the spring on the sides that weren't in place and it wouldn't latch on. I still have the filter so I'll update if I can find the time.
Originally Posted By: rollinpete
Originally Posted By: paulri
How do we know that the bypass valve was functioning? Not denying this, I'm just asking.


Wondering myself does this make it a higher or lower psi bypass or is it the same? I've never tested these things out so how they exactly works is beyond me...Can anyone on here explain it? (curious minds want to know)... hornets

I pushed the plastic bypass, spring compressed and it opened. By "functioning" I meant that the plastic bypass moved like it should. It was not stuck and the spring compressed. PSI-wise I have no clue, just that it worked. Maybe I'll contact motorking and ask him if he would like to take a look at it.


2004 Toyota Solara SE 2.4 2AZFE
182,000 miles
Castrol Magnatec Semi-Syn 5W30
Royal Purple 20-400 oversize 2nd run
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