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Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 #4533972
10/04/17 02:33 PM
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New Hampshire
NissanHauler Offline OP
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New Hampshire
Doing 2nd oil change on the Taco. Going to be doing 10k mile OCI, fram ultra filter. 20 mile commute back and forth 5 days a week (40 miles total per day) of rural highway (45 to 50mph) with 2 60mile highway trips back and forth 2 days a week any advantage of one or the other? Weight will be 0w20. Vehicle is in my signature below.


Non quia difficilia sunt non audemus, sed quia non audemus, difficilia sunt
2017 Toyota Tacoma SR5 Double Cab 4x4 V6
Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler] #4533986
10/04/17 02:47 PM
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The land of USA-made Subies!
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The land of USA-made Subies!
Yeah, PP is half the cost and at 10k you won't see any difference between the two. Save the money IMHO.

Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler] #4534075
10/04/17 05:00 PM
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Personally, I'd use M1 AFE or EP over PP, but PP is still a solid oil.
AP is too costly for an oil of which we have very little service history.
No need to use it on 10K drains that could be easily accommodated with a cheaper oil.


18 Accord Hybrid FF
17 Forester 18K VME 0W-20
12 Accord LX 96K SSO 0W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
96 Accord LX 104K T5 10W-30
95 318i
Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler] #4534086
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Even the cheap synthetics like QSUD and Mobil Super Synthetic (and the house brands) should be able to handle a mfr-spec 10k OCI, especially the highway miles of your driving conditions smile

Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler] #4534093
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Western usa
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Why not EP ?

Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler] #4534111
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New Hampshire
NissanHauler Offline OP
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**NOTE**
I put "Mobil 1 AP" in the title, I intended to say EP (Extended Performance0


Non quia difficilia sunt non audemus, sed quia non audemus, difficilia sunt
2017 Toyota Tacoma SR5 Double Cab 4x4 V6
Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler] #4534123
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I would say that using any similar price point oil there will not be a difference no matter how long you keep the Toyota. Todays oils are excellent.


2015 Ford F150 2.7
2018 Ford F350 6.2
Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: fdcg27] #4534197
10/04/17 08:47 PM
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MTL, CANADA
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Personally, I'd use M1 AFE or EP over PP, but PP is still a solid oil.
AP is too costly for an oil of which we have very little service history.
No need to use it on 10K drains that could be easily accommodated with a cheaper oil.


Agreed


2007 Corolla Red Pearl 155k miles
PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler] #4534242
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I'd use whichever of those is cheapest at the time of the change. I doubt you'll notice a difference. I don't think the extra cost of AP or EP does anything for your scenario unless you want to start stretching the change interval.

What kind of oil life meter does the car have? What does Toyota say for a change interval?


2017 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport
Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler] #4534266
10/05/17 01:59 AM
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M1 will give you better cold start performance

Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: HKPolice] #4534268
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Originally Posted By: HKPolice
M1 will give you better cold start performance




How did you come to this conclusion?


Cannot see signatures any longer so it doesn’t matter.
Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler] #4534298
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I've run both M1 AFE 0w20 and pp 0w20 in my 14 sienna 2GRFE. The AFE has slightly but noticeably higher valve train noise after the change. There are lots of threads on this but non show inferior UOIs. The PP and other oil are quieter.

Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: fdcg27] #4534393
10/05/17 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Personally, I'd use M1 AFE or EP over PP, but PP is still a solid oil.
AP is too costly for an oil of which we have very little service history.
No need to use it on 10K drains that could be easily accommodated with a cheaper oil.
This^^^^

Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: PimTac] #4534853
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: HKPolice
M1 will give you better cold start performance




How did you come to this conclusion?


He may have relied on those silly PQIA VOAs which show that M1 AFE offers significantly better W end numbers than PP. Lower NOACK as well.
Still, unless the OP needs to do -35C starts on winter mornings, which he won't in NH, the difference is probably more theoretical than real.
Either M1 AFE or EP in this grade is documented as having plenty of Grp IV in the basestock blends used while PP uses a GTL Grp III basestock, for whatever that's worth.


18 Accord Hybrid FF
17 Forester 18K VME 0W-20
12 Accord LX 96K SSO 0W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
96 Accord LX 104K T5 10W-30
95 318i
Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler] #4534856
10/05/17 05:51 PM
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Wet side WA
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You only have to really consider one thing Mobil 1 AP is easier to find on sale and I'd wager it will be cheaper.


2004 Corolla 126813
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74478
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
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