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#4533972 - 10/04/17 03:33 PM Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20
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Registered: 08/07/16
Posts: 79
Loc: New Hampshire
Doing 2nd oil change on the Taco. Going to be doing 10k mile OCI, fram ultra filter. 20 mile commute back and forth 5 days a week (40 miles total per day) of rural highway (45 to 50mph) with 2 60mile highway trips back and forth 2 days a week any advantage of one or the other? Weight will be 0w20. Vehicle is in my signature below.
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#4533986 - 10/04/17 03:47 PM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler]
SubieRubyRoo Offline


Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 1125
Loc: Winchester, Indiana
Yeah, PP is half the cost and at 10k you won't see any difference between the two. Save the money IMHO.

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#4534075 - 10/04/17 06:00 PM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler]
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Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 15687
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Personally, I'd use M1 AFE or EP over PP, but PP is still a solid oil.
AP is too costly for an oil of which we have very little service history.
No need to use it on 10K drains that could be easily accommodated with a cheaper oil.
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#4534086 - 10/04/17 06:10 PM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler]
slacktide_bitog Offline


Registered: 03/20/08
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Loc: USA
Even the cheap synthetics like QSUD and Mobil Super Synthetic (and the house brands) should be able to handle a mfr-spec 10k OCI, especially the highway miles of your driving conditions smile

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#4534093 - 10/04/17 06:25 PM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler]
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Registered: 06/22/17
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Loc: Western usa
Why not EP ?

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#4534111 - 10/04/17 06:49 PM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler]
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Registered: 08/07/16
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**NOTE**
I put "Mobil 1 AP" in the title, I intended to say EP (Extended Performance0
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#4534123 - 10/04/17 07:25 PM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler]
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I would say that using any similar price point oil there will not be a difference no matter how long you keep the Toyota. Todays oils are excellent.
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#4534197 - 10/04/17 09:47 PM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: fdcg27]
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Registered: 11/05/11
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Personally, I'd use M1 AFE or EP over PP, but PP is still a solid oil.
AP is too costly for an oil of which we have very little service history.
No need to use it on 10K drains that could be easily accommodated with a cheaper oil.


Agreed
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#4534242 - 10/04/17 11:42 PM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler]
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Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 13466
Loc: Chicago, IL
I'd use whichever of those is cheapest at the time of the change. I doubt you'll notice a difference. I don't think the extra cost of AP or EP does anything for your scenario unless you want to start stretching the change interval.

What kind of oil life meter does the car have? What does Toyota say for a change interval?
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#4534266 - 10/05/17 02:59 AM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler]
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Registered: 03/31/12
Posts: 510
Loc: Toronto, Canada
M1 will give you better cold start performance

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#4534268 - 10/05/17 03:11 AM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: HKPolice]
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Registered: 03/04/17
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Loc: Soviet State of Washington
Originally Posted By: HKPolice
M1 will give you better cold start performance




How did you come to this conclusion?
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#4534298 - 10/05/17 05:59 AM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler]
danez_yoda Offline


Registered: 07/18/09
Posts: 462
Loc: texas
I've run both M1 AFE 0w20 and pp 0w20 in my 14 sienna 2GRFE. The AFE has slightly but noticeably higher valve train noise after the change. There are lots of threads on this but non show inferior UOIs. The PP and other oil are quieter.

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#4534393 - 10/05/17 08:41 AM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: fdcg27]
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Registered: 02/07/08
Posts: 4727
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Personally, I'd use M1 AFE or EP over PP, but PP is still a solid oil.
AP is too costly for an oil of which we have very little service history.
No need to use it on 10K drains that could be easily accommodated with a cheaper oil.
This^^^^

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#4534853 - 10/05/17 06:45 PM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: PimTac]
fdcg27 Offline


Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 15687
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: HKPolice
M1 will give you better cold start performance




How did you come to this conclusion?


He may have relied on those silly PQIA VOAs which show that M1 AFE offers significantly better W end numbers than PP. Lower NOACK as well.
Still, unless the OP needs to do -35C starts on winter mornings, which he won't in NH, the difference is probably more theoretical than real.
Either M1 AFE or EP in this grade is documented as having plenty of Grp IV in the basestock blends used while PP uses a GTL Grp III basestock, for whatever that's worth.
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#4534856 - 10/05/17 06:51 PM Re: Mobil 1 AP vs PP 0w-20 [Re: NissanHauler]
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Registered: 10/22/09
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Loc: Wet side WA
You only have to really consider one thing Mobil 1 AP is easier to find on sale and I'd wager it will be cheaper.
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