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Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? #4533209
10/03/17 06:55 PM
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Seems like since say '04 seems that Dodge has unabashedly gone big on cubic inches and horsepower and special sports series of vehicles. While Ford's "toughest" Raptor can't even be had with a V8 anymore from factory.... Dodge is slapping SRT and 390+ cubic inches in almost anything. I can't even recall all the flavors of challenger out there...Srt, raptor,hellcat...and on.
Even a huuuge horsepower durango suv coming.

Meanwhile Chevy is going to engines displacing less than a Kwik Trip big slurp and slapping turbos on turbos.

Is this Dodge strategy the equivalent of business model insanity or is it genius?


Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: SumpChump] #4533229
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Adding cubic inches is an easy/inexpensive fix when you want to increase horsepower. Other manufacturers are adding HP, reducing weight and conserving MPG at the same time. That takes time, research and money. I think Dodge may be falling behind with modern times but I may be wrong.


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Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: BobsArmory] #4533232
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Originally Posted By: BobsArmory
Adding cubic inches is an easy/inexpensive fix when you want to increase horsepower. Other manufacturers are adding HP, reducing weight and conserving MPG at the same time. That takes time, research and money. I think Dodge may be falling behind with modern times but I may be wrong.


Agreed. A new F150 with a 5.0L makes about the same HP/TQ as a 5.7L Hemi Dodge.

Also, FWIW, the new "V6" Raptor pushes 450HP.


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Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: SumpChump] #4533233
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Baby boomer sales in many cases / but=

Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: SumpChump] #4533234
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In the Garage...
Camaro ZL1
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Camaro SS
Corvette and up models
The Chevy SS was around for a bit.
CTS-V

They need big cubes because those cars are HEAVY
Unless you are talking Demon, The rest of the Mopars in the price ranges of the cars above don't out run the GM stuff.
You have Demon, Challenger SRT, Challenger SRT with Scat Pac, Hellcat. Same ones in Charger form.

So are you saying you need cubes to win?

I love the MoPar stuff, but give me and LS/LT any day. Cheap and plentiful. smile


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Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: SumpChump] #4533235
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I think what Dodge is doing is awesome, lots of FCA haters but there is clearly a market for the masculine classic muscle car. Iíve driven chargers and challengers, they are fun. These cars arenít built for the twisty track but neither were muscle cars of the 60s-70s. I have a hemi ram with flow masters and you canít replace that v8 sound with a turbo V6. With that said, those v6s like the f150 eco boost are amazing.. itís all preference. I nearly bought the eco boost last year but went with the hemi. Itís all preference but there is clearly a demand. Wifey has a grand Cherokee pentastar V6, trying to talk her into the hemi.

Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: SumpChump] #4533236
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DB had money to blow.
Fiat doesn't.
Old tech fuel guzzlers rather than more modern designs?
Why not? Makes our obsolete powertrains look good and at current fuel prices nobody cares.
GM and Ford can afford more modern designs while FCA can't.
Simple as that.


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Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: SumpChump] #4533238
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This makes me wonder what my 1973 Bronco with the 302 made HP wise. I know it wasn't much but I was in High School and it was plenty!


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Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: BobsArmory] #4533242
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Originally Posted By: BobsArmory
This makes me wonder what my 1973 Bronco with the 302 made HP wise. I know it wasn't much but I was in High School and it was plenty!


Just about the same as my '75 = 125HP HAHAHA!

I rebuilt the 2.5L Jeep engine in my trail rig and it makes 150HP. LOL


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Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: SumpChump] #4533258
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Don't forget, the Ford SHO is just as fast as a 5.7 (NA) Charger.

I have no excuse for Chevy and them giving up on the SS.

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Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: dlundblad] #4533262
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Isnít the GT350 still a V8?

Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: fdcg27] #4533265
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
DB had money to blow.
Fiat doesn't.
Old tech fuel guzzlers rather than more modern designs?
Why not? Makes our obsolete powertrains look good and at current fuel prices nobody cares.
GM and Ford can afford more modern designs while FCA can't.
Simple as that.


The 6.4L/392 is actually a rather new engine and is no less "high tech" than GM's LSx series engines. Putting the ZF 8spd behind it and the big lump even gets decent gas mileage.

The Pentastar is their latest affordable DOHC effort, which most equate with "high tech".

The little turbo mills are going in Fiat products, they are keeping their bread and butter (the trucks) naturally aspirated (save the Cummins) as they do not have the time or money invested in a turbo V6 programme like Ford has. GM has stayed a similar route, save for the addition of Direct Injection.

Both of the highest performance offerings from GM and Dodge are big old supercharged pushrod V8's.


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Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: SumpChump] #4533266
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Fast cars just don't do it for me anymore. There was a time maybe ending around 10 yrs ago when I would have gladly went into debt for any of the above mentioned offerings from GM, Dodge, or Ford. I do still like mc riding, though.



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Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: 4WD] #4533268
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
Isnít the GT350 still a V8?


Yes, flat plane crank too. A lot of time and money went into developing that engine.


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Re: Dodge "muscle strategy" versus Chevy/Ford? [Re: OVERKILL] #4533276
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