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We're done, Motorcraft. #4531661
10/01/17 10:49 PM
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crainholio Offline OP
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I finally bought a proper oil filter cutter for another project, and opened up the Motorcraft FL-820S that came off our Mercury Mariner 3.0L V6 last weekend. Visible tear as shown in the pic. ~5700 mile OCI running Motorcraft 5W-30 synthetic blend, the usual Summer oil for this vehicle since it passed 100K miles.





Last edited by crainholio; 10/01/17 10:54 PM. Reason: 820S typo.
Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4531665
10/01/17 10:53 PM
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Tear-olator!


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PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4531667
10/01/17 11:00 PM
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Of all the Motorcraft filters, the 820 seems to be the odd-man-out in terms of construction and reliability. 400s, 910s, 500s, etc.. all seem to be good.. but the 820 seems plagued with tears, etc..

My gut says it's because of its diameter, and MC not building in enough pleats, or using more robust media, to make up for the increased diameter.


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Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4531674
10/01/17 11:16 PM
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How many months old to log 5,700 miles.

Hopefully you will send your complaint to Ford Motorcraft Customer Service and not just complain here since you can only effect change if they are made aware of your reason.

Thanks for posting your experience.


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Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4531675
10/01/17 11:16 PM
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At least you can get better oil filters at better prices than the MC Ones.


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Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4531682
10/01/17 11:33 PM
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I had an FL820S tear on me also. After this event I started cutting all my used oil filters open. Ford Motorcraft just blew off my report. However, I would report it regardless.


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Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4531696
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Ouch! I'm just going to stick with my XG2s. eek


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Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4531725
10/02/17 12:52 AM
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You guys should either buy the Fram Ultra or the NAPA Platinum and be done with it.

Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4531737
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Fram Ultra


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Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4531747
10/02/17 03:03 AM
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Off-topic slightly but I cut open two FL-910s filters this week and they were both perfect at 5,000 mile intervals. I believe the problem here is with the specific product number - FL-820S.

I also would find a different filter to use if you're seeing tears. There's no reason to accept this design flaw from any company just to keep the Motorcraft logo on your engine.


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Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4531771
10/02/17 05:35 AM
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I recently went to an open house at the local NAPA. While there, they had several new filters including an FL820 cut open.

There was such a huge spot between pleats at the seam I could fit my fingertip in it.

I was most impressed with the NAPA Platinum, both in filter media and its construction.

Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: ArcticDriver] #4531821
10/02/17 07:02 AM
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crainholio Offline OP
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Just over 4 months: April-August. I sent the pics and explanatory text to [email protected] but not finding an email address for Ford.com as yet. Not optimistic that this will change things.

I'll cut open the new-in-box Motorcraft FL-820S I have sitting on the shelf next weekend and see what's inside, it's not going on the vehicle and unlikely I can find the receipt to return it. Also picking up a Fram XG2 to swap out the 820 that's on the vehicle now and will cut that one open for examination.


Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
How many months old to log 5,700 miles.

Hopefully you will send your complaint to Ford Motorcraft Customer Service and not just complain here since you can only effect change if they are made aware of your reason.

Thanks for posting your experience.

Last edited by crainholio; 10/02/17 07:03 AM.
Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4531911
10/02/17 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: crainholio
...

I'll cut open the new-in-box Motorcraft FL-820S I have sitting on the shelf next weekend and see what's inside, it's not going on the vehicle and unlikely I can find the receipt to return it ...

You could always go to walmart and exchange it for a Fram or ST.


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Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4531946
10/02/17 10:36 AM
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I have never been a fan of the Motorcraft filters. Definitely not holding up there. Thanks for the C&P.


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Re: We're done, Motorcraft. [Re: crainholio] #4532020
10/02/17 12:34 PM
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Microgard, Supertech, Napa ProSelect. All Wix on a budget. Better than Motorcraft for the same price smile


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2010 Escape FWD 2.5 ~84K Miles, Castrol Edge EP 5W-30, Wix Filter, Rented on Turo.
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