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GM 4L60E Whine #4530780
10/01/17 01:25 AM
10/01/17 01:25 AM
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4L60E in the Envoy that recently started whining, perhaps more like a fuel pump if I were to describe it. It doesn't happen when you first fire up in the morning, but when the transmission fluid warms up a bit, a tad over 100 F, and you lightly hit the gas taking off from a standstill, you hear the whine right away. You hear it under light acceleration from a standstill, as well as in in park or neutral. From a standstill, you can hear the whine going up to 2,500 rpm, after which it seems to disappear. As it whines in P or N, the whine disappears right away if you slap it in reverse or any other forward gear.

The unit has 115,000 miles on it. It's had very regular fluid (Dexron-VI with LubeGard) and filter (ACDelco TF-289) changes - a drain and refill every 6,250 miles and a filter replacement/pan drop every 25,000 miles. I have a Derale cooling pan, which an extra 2 quart capacity and drain plug. The reason I use a TF-289 shallow pan filter and not the 24208576 deep pan filter is because this particular pan has big cooling tubes, and you can't bolt the pan back on with the deep pan filter. The fluid is always a nice cherry red, the magnet in the pan and the magnetic drain plug are always clean.

Thinking it was the torque converter, which I did have some vibration issues with, I went ahead and replaced it. It's a lot smoother now and zero vibration issues, but it didn't resolve the whining problem. I also checked all exhaust shields, etc. whilst I was in there, just in case anything was loose and would happen to rattle - everything there is tight. Any input from GM transmissions gurus would be much appreciated - thank you!


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Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Falcon_LS] #4530813
10/01/17 02:36 AM
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Sometimes an auto transmission will just whine, but I would take it to a ** reputable ** auto transmission shop for an inspection, bands might need alignment / tightening. The thing about auto transmissions is they are extremely robust, usually outlasting the engine (especially GM transmissions) but if there is an issue, it ** will ** get worse and it ** will ** cost more later versus right now.


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Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Falcon_LS] #4530853
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Whining usually means pump is bad. They can whine for years and never quit. We found the 4L60E to either be real good for 200k miles or it blows up young...


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Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Johnny2Bad] #4530876
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Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
Sometimes an auto transmission will just whine, but I would take it to a ** reputable ** auto transmission shop for an inspection, bands might need alignment / tightening. The thing about auto transmissions is they are extremely robust, usually outlasting the engine (especially GM transmissions) but if there is an issue, it ** will ** get worse and it ** will ** cost more later versus right now.
The 4L60E is not exactly robust-and the heavier the vehicle it's in, and especially any towing, rebuilds come sooner than later. My concern for the OP is whining tends to be gears or other hard parts-might end up being expensive, a rebuilt replacement might end up less.


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Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Falcon_LS] #4530882
10/01/17 07:02 AM
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Thanks for the input. This truck has never towed a thing in its life, and with the very regular service intervals this unit has seen, I would have thought it would be a rather long time before anything needed attention in the transmission.

I am taking it to my transmission guy later on today - was just curious to see if anyone had any input before hand. I'm thinking more the planetary, since the pitch of the whine doesn't change with RPM, but I could be wrong. That said, if a rebuild is required, then be it. Will just bullet proof it like I did my torque converter, so I don't need to go in there again for a really long time vs. getting a reman. Did it with my 4R70W, will do it again with the 4L60E.

Given how long this transmission has been around, you would think it would be a very robust unit by now. smile


99 Explorer: H17W02/GC 0W40
00 Pajero: XG9688/MC 15W40
01 Grand Marquis: XG2/XCess 5W40
03 Expedition SSV: XG2/XCess 5W40
05 Envoy: XG9837/5W30 ESP
06 XJ8L: C2C41611/5W30 ESP
07 SRX: XG8765/5W30 ESP
Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Falcon_LS] #4530943
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I had a 1999 GMC Sierra with this transmission. All maintenance done similar to how you described. Transmission failed twice, the last of which I sold the truck at 228,000 miles. Great truck except the transmission issues. Seems they last about 110K and I didn't even really use it to tow or haul anything other than the occasional plywood from the big box store. Not So robust to me. ironically, At 220K, The water Pump Went out. Put a new One in, new belt, Etc. Then 8K later Tranny goes.

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Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Falcon_LS] #4531069
10/01/17 10:59 AM
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"Given how long this transmission has been around, you would think it would be a very robust unit by now."


Yup! exactly, GMs could be robust, but aren't, dealers need the work and GM bean counters and wannabe stars in the
supply chain like making things cheap! SAD!

Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Falcon_LS] #4531072
10/01/17 11:13 AM
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426,000kms and counting on my 4L60E. grin

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2007 Silverado Classic 1500 Crewcab 5.3L 460,000kms
Engine oil Mobil 1 0w40fs
Oil Filter Fram Ultra 10575
Trans Oil Amsoil Torque Drive
Front Diff Amsoil SG75w90
T-Case Autotrak II
Rear Diff Amsoil SG75w140
Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Falcon_LS] #4531099
10/01/17 11:55 AM
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I have a 98 chevy K1500 with this transmission and mine whines too and has for awhile. Mine has 135,000 miles on it and it's had regular tranny fluid changes. Mine has not towed much at all and nothing really heavy. I'm just going to drive it until it goes out.

I have a friend with the same truck that I do and he has right around 400,000 miles on the original transmission.

Wayne


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Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Falcon_LS] #4531786
10/02/17 06:06 AM
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Yep, we have had Silverados here exceed 200k miles with nothing but occasional fluid changes.


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Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: BigJakeChevy] #4531796
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BIL did 400k miles with regular fluid changes BUT did not tow trailer = it had tow package with cooler +++

Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Falcon_LS] #4531853
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Just an update, turns out the noise I am hearing is not from the transmission. Certainly a relief.


99 Explorer: H17W02/GC 0W40
00 Pajero: XG9688/MC 15W40
01 Grand Marquis: XG2/XCess 5W40
03 Expedition SSV: XG2/XCess 5W40
05 Envoy: XG9837/5W30 ESP
06 XJ8L: C2C41611/5W30 ESP
07 SRX: XG8765/5W30 ESP
Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Falcon_LS] #4531895
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What is it from then? Inquiring minds want to know! smile


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Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Falcon_LS] #4531924
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Power steering pump?

Re: GM 4L60E Whine [Re: Falcon_LS] #4532366
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The wife in the next seat over?


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