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Pennzoil GTL Process #4529868
09/29/17 09:55 PM
09/29/17 09:55 PM
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Rio Rancho, NM
Pajero Offline OP
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I found this on the internet, it's nothing new, but thought it was interesting!



I apologize if this has already been posted.

Respectfully,

Pajero!

Source: GTL Process Qatar


Always remember "Planned obsolescence."

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Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero] #4529873
09/29/17 10:00 PM
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This is definitely informative here. Thanks for putting it on here.


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Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero] #4529876
09/29/17 10:03 PM
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Thanks!


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Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero] #4530005
09/30/17 07:10 AM
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Thank you. I found this informative. Ed


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Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero] #4530058
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Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero] #4530065
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Another paper from 2002, but prescient. Lots of good info.
http://www.petroleumtrends.com/NPRAPaper4.htm

Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero] #4530070
09/30/17 09:21 AM
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From there = going to be this or LNG export

Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero] #4530195
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i was surprised to read a while ago that this "super" oil needed hydrocracking similar to other crude products, but it said less processing was needed. better than typical crude but still behind PAO + Ester base oils, but a LOT cheaper + surely good enough for most applications

Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: bigj_16] #4530654
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GTL Fuel cells, very interesting!



Respectfully,

Pajero!


Always remember "Planned obsolescence."

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Fram Ultra/ Snorkel with Pre-filter
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Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero] #4530802
10/01/17 02:11 AM
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I'm sure there is an unlimited amount/supply of natural gas in the ground just waiting to be tapped. But,
what get's me is, why did the other major oil companies abandon the idea/use of GTL, but SHELL ran with it?
shrug

Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: benjy] #4530830
10/01/17 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted By: benjy
i was surprised to read a while ago that this "super" oil needed hydrocracking similar to other crude products, but it said less processing was needed. better than typical crude but still behind PAO + Ester base oils, but a LOT cheaper + surely good enough for most applications



The idea of converting 'free' stranded gas to make fuel & lube base oil sounds a wizard idea until you factor in the cost of the processing plant necessary to make this a reality. The final capital cost for the Shell Pearl GTL plant is supposedly $US 24 BILLION !! Even by oil industry standards, this is eye-wateringly high. As I understand things, this cost is borne entirely by Shell as Qatar's commitment to the project is simply to provide gas to the plant free-of-charge.

Also remember that this plant primarily exists to make fuels; GTL base oil is really just 'the heavy bit that's left over'. With oil at around $US 50/barrel, fuel product prices are also correspondingly low and it makes no sense whatsoever to splash out mega bucks to do the gas conversion. I'm sure internally Shell allocate a PAO-competitive transfer value to GTL base oil but make no mistake, if normal economic rules applied, this stuff would never have seen the light of day.

Oh, and I might take issue with the 'less wear' claim for GTL base oils. At equivalent base oil viscosity, I suspect GTL would very likely give much the same level of wear as any other base oil.

Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero] #4530833
10/01/17 03:41 AM
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I wonder what Uncle Jed thinks about this B.S.


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