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#4529868 - 09/29/17 09:55 PM Pennzoil GTL Process
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Registered: 05/05/12
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I found this on the internet, it's nothing new, but thought it was interesting!



I apologize if this has already been posted.

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Source: GTL Process Qatar
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#4529873 - 09/29/17 10:00 PM Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero]
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This is definitely informative here. Thanks for putting it on here.
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#4529876 - 09/29/17 10:03 PM Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero]
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Thanks!
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#4530005 - 09/30/17 07:10 AM Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero]
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Thank you. I found this informative. Ed
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#4530058 - 09/30/17 09:08 AM Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero]
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#4530065 - 09/30/17 09:17 AM Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero]
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Another paper from 2002, but prescient. Lots of good info.
http://www.petroleumtrends.com/NPRAPaper4.htm

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#4530070 - 09/30/17 09:21 AM Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero]
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From there = going to be this or LNG export

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#4530195 - 09/30/17 11:53 AM Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero]
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i was surprised to read a while ago that this "super" oil needed hydrocracking similar to other crude products, but it said less processing was needed. better than typical crude but still behind PAO + Ester base oils, but a LOT cheaper + surely good enough for most applications

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#4530654 - 09/30/17 09:29 PM Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: bigj_16]
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GTL Fuel cells, very interesting!



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#4530802 - 10/01/17 02:11 AM Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero]
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I'm sure there is an unlimited amount/supply of natural gas in the ground just waiting to be tapped. But,
what get's me is, why did the other major oil companies abandon the idea/use of GTL, but SHELL ran with it?
shrug

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#4530830 - 10/01/17 03:25 AM Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: benjy]
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Originally Posted By: benjy
i was surprised to read a while ago that this "super" oil needed hydrocracking similar to other crude products, but it said less processing was needed. better than typical crude but still behind PAO + Ester base oils, but a LOT cheaper + surely good enough for most applications



The idea of converting 'free' stranded gas to make fuel & lube base oil sounds a wizard idea until you factor in the cost of the processing plant necessary to make this a reality. The final capital cost for the Shell Pearl GTL plant is supposedly $US 24 BILLION !! Even by oil industry standards, this is eye-wateringly high. As I understand things, this cost is borne entirely by Shell as Qatar's commitment to the project is simply to provide gas to the plant free-of-charge.

Also remember that this plant primarily exists to make fuels; GTL base oil is really just 'the heavy bit that's left over'. With oil at around $US 50/barrel, fuel product prices are also correspondingly low and it makes no sense whatsoever to splash out mega bucks to do the gas conversion. I'm sure internally Shell allocate a PAO-competitive transfer value to GTL base oil but make no mistake, if normal economic rules applied, this stuff would never have seen the light of day.

Oh, and I might take issue with the 'less wear' claim for GTL base oils. At equivalent base oil viscosity, I suspect GTL would very likely give much the same level of wear as any other base oil.

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#4530833 - 10/01/17 03:41 AM Re: Pennzoil GTL Process [Re: Pajero]
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I wonder what Uncle Jed thinks about this B.S.

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