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#4527043 - 09/26/17 07:35 PM How about this Laptop
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Registered: 03/21/04
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I am looking for a laptop that supports eSATA for under or around $500.

This one has a CPU benchmark of 7600.

Must have eSATA.

Look on Amazon for this AISN: B075FKQGY6
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#4527210 - 09/26/17 11:39 PM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: Donald]
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Looks like a beast! IF you're okay with a big huge laptop i think the specs and price are real nice.
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#4527240 - 09/27/17 02:42 AM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: Donald]
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Loc: Gulf Coast, MS
I can't offer an alternative but I'm not to impressed with it. Granted it will possibly be yours and my opinion means nothing when it comes to others choices. It is rather old tho didn't look at the date it was released but that screen resolution caught my attention.

Been several years since 1080p has become the minimum standard. Also considering it's age and the fact that it's refurbished it could very well need a new battery soon they don't last forever and can be expensive. The thermal paste is probably dried out by this point. It may have some cooling problems due to that.

CPU isn't great either it looks like a Ivy Bridge but Intel has been known for some stupid naming on their mobile line. My guess is the thing is probably as powerful as a modern day i3 which is a dual core CPU with 4 threads. It could be stronger but really without looking at it I can't say for certain.

Intel's mobile line (laptops not cellphones) are very under powered compared to the desktop alternative. It has 4 cores tho with 8 threads and while that seems decent given the fact it's mobile and a handful of generations old the performance will be diminished compared to a modern day Skylake/Kabylake or a Ryzen alternative.

Most programs (and I'm speaking about a good 80%) do not care at all how many cores your PC has. They favor a newer architecture with a higher IPC. So while it will have more cores then a modern day i3 the i3 will have significantly stronger cores capable of doing far more per core.

Core count only really matters when you are using a significant amount of the CPU's processing power at once. Every other time a higher core performance trump core count (when you take architectural differences in IPC).

Most programs use 1-2 cores so in those programs your core count means absolutely nothing in terms of performance. This is where the i3 will shine as it's 2 cores (and 4 threads) will be significantly stronger and capable of doing far more on a core to core bases in the same period of time.

I'm having a hard time explaining this (I don't know how well you are with computers so don't take it as a insult) just know a few people who have a hard time loading a browser so this would make no sense to them.

Essentially if that laptops CPU had a core performance of 100% a modern day i3 would have one near 170%

I really don't know to much about laptop's tho I've I owned very few and while I lack experience in that regard I do I have a lot of experience in building PCs and repairing them.

My advice would be to look for something with a newer CPU.

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#4527253 - 09/27/17 04:19 AM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: Donald]
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It is an older laptop. Processor was launched in the 3rd quarter of 2012. It was probably really nice back in 2012-2013, but consider the age and it might not be so great. However, it is nicer than my wife's laptop of 2012 and hers runs Windows 10 and is just fine unless she is doing some photo album, work, then it is a little slow to save. In either case the video card is a help.

You could also swap out the HDD for a SSD drive. That makes a huge difference as well.
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#4527291 - 09/27/17 06:25 AM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: Donald]
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The non SSD will be a bottleneck on that even vs lessor equipped machine with an SSD.

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#4527358 - 09/27/17 08:23 AM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: Donald]
Mathew_Boss Offline


Registered: 09/16/14
Posts: 169
Loc: Nebraska
Originally Posted By: Donald
I am looking for a laptop that supports eSATA for under or around $500.

This one has a CPU benchmark of 7600.

Must have eSATA.

Look on Amazon for this AISN: B075FKQGY6


Before I left for Afghanistan I bought a new HP Laptop to keep in touch with my family in 2011. I paid $450 extra for the 4 year extedned warranty and accidental damage. The fan quit working 2 months into the deployment. They told me I voided the warranty by taking it out of the country. They wouldn't even send me the fan so I could replace it myself. I have not bought another HP product since. I would look at ASUS laptops. they cost a little more but they are generaly higher quality and you can understand the people they employ for tech support.

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#4527371 - 09/27/17 08:39 AM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: Donald]
Mathew_Boss Offline


Registered: 09/16/14
Posts: 169
Loc: Nebraska
Have you considered an adapter? Get this for $6

Adapter

Then get this Laptop:

Laptop

that way you get a new and modern laptop with the ability to use old legacy ports.

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#4527377 - 09/27/17 08:44 AM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: Donald]
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Posts: 556
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I am somewhat curious as to why you NEED ESata. Couldn't you just get an adapter or get a cable that goes straight from your drive to USB 3?
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#4527460 - 09/27/17 10:43 AM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: mazdamonky]
Bottom_Feeder Offline


Registered: 12/07/08
Posts: 3013
Loc: Occupied Virginia
Originally Posted By: mazdamonky
I am somewhat curious as to why you NEED ESata. Couldn't you just get an adapter or get a cable that goes straight from your drive to USB 3?

Same here. eSATA never really took off. You're really limiting your choices if you NEED eSATA when you can probably do whatever it does via USB3.

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#4527585 - 09/27/17 01:06 PM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: Donald]
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Posts: 5177
Loc: Texas
new laptops come with usb 3.0 not esata.
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#4527798 - 09/27/17 06:17 PM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: Donald]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
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Loc: Upstate NY
I looked for the first new laptop on Amazon for around $500. It had an Intel Core I5 7200m. The CPU benchmark was 4687.

So the one I mentioned had a CPU benchmark of 7600.
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#4527808 - 09/27/17 06:27 PM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: 3800Series]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 20459
Loc: Upstate NY
Originally Posted By: 3800Series
I can't offer an alternative but I'm not to impressed with it. Granted it will possibly be yours and my opinion means nothing when it comes to others choices. It is rather old tho didn't look at the date it was released but that screen resolution caught my attention.

Been several years since 1080p has become the minimum standard. Also considering it's age and the fact that it's refurbished it could very well need a new battery soon they don't last forever and can be expensive. The thermal paste is probably dried out by this point. It may have some cooling problems due to that.

CPU isn't great either it looks like a Ivy Bridge but Intel has been known for some stupid naming on their mobile line. My guess is the thing is probably as powerful as a modern day i3 which is a dual core CPU with 4 threads. It could be stronger but really without looking at it I can't say for certain.

Intel's mobile line (laptops not cellphones) are very under powered compared to the desktop alternative. It has 4 cores tho with 8 threads and while that seems decent given the fact it's mobile and a handful of generations old the performance will be diminished compared to a modern day Skylake/Kabylake or a Ryzen alternative.

Most programs (and I'm speaking about a good 80%) do not care at all how many cores your PC has. They favor a newer architecture with a higher IPC. So while it will have more cores then a modern day i3 the i3 will have significantly stronger cores capable of doing far more per core.

Core count only really matters when you are using a significant amount of the CPU's processing power at once. Every other time a higher core performance trump core count (when you take architectural differences in IPC).

Most programs use 1-2 cores so in those programs your core count means absolutely nothing in terms of performance. This is where the i3 will shine as it's 2 cores (and 4 threads) will be significantly stronger and capable of doing far more on a core to core bases in the same period of time.

I'm having a hard time explaining this (I don't know how well you are with computers so don't take it as a insult) just know a few people who have a hard time loading a browser so this would make no sense to them.

Essentially if that laptops CPU had a core performance of 100% a modern day i3 would have one near 170%

I really don't know to much about laptop's tho I've I owned very few and while I lack experience in that regard I do I have a lot of experience in building PCs and repairing them.

My advice would be to look for something with a newer CPU.


I have been around the system side of mainframe computers since 1976 where we went from a single processor to a multiprocessor to maybe 64 today that are carved up into several images. Also I am very knowledgeable about multi-threading of programs (or not). So I understand the benefit of fewer faster cores.
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#4528274 - 09/28/17 09:23 AM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: Donald]
ford46guy Offline


Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 525
Loc: Albany, NY
Originally Posted By: Donald
Originally Posted By: 3800Series
I can't offer an alternative but I'm not to impressed with it. Granted it will possibly be yours and my opinion means nothing when it comes to others choices. It is rather old tho didn't look at the date it was released but that screen resolution caught my attention.

Been several years since 1080p has become the minimum standard. Also considering it's age and the fact that it's refurbished it could very well need a new battery soon they don't last forever and can be expensive. The thermal paste is probably dried out by this point. It may have some cooling problems due to that.

CPU isn't great either it looks like a Ivy Bridge but Intel has been known for some stupid naming on their mobile line. My guess is the thing is probably as powerful as a modern day i3 which is a dual core CPU with 4 threads. It could be stronger but really without looking at it I can't say for certain.

Intel's mobile line (laptops not cellphones) are very under powered compared to the desktop alternative. It has 4 cores tho with 8 threads and while that seems decent given the fact it's mobile and a handful of generations old the performance will be diminished compared to a modern day Skylake/Kabylake or a Ryzen alternative.

Most programs (and I'm speaking about a good 80%) do not care at all how many cores your PC has. They favor a newer architecture with a higher IPC. So while it will have more cores then a modern day i3 the i3 will have significantly stronger cores capable of doing far more per core.

Core count only really matters when you are using a significant amount of the CPU's processing power at once. Every other time a higher core performance trump core count (when you take architectural differences in IPC).

Most programs use 1-2 cores so in those programs your core count means absolutely nothing in terms of performance. This is where the i3 will shine as it's 2 cores (and 4 threads) will be significantly stronger and capable of doing far more on a core to core bases in the same period of time.

I'm having a hard time explaining this (I don't know how well you are with computers so don't take it as a insult) just know a few people who have a hard time loading a browser so this would make no sense to them.

Essentially if that laptops CPU had a core performance of 100% a modern day i3 would have one near 170%

I really don't know to much about laptop's tho I've I owned very few and while I lack experience in that regard I do I have a lot of experience in building PCs and repairing them.

My advice would be to look for something with a newer CPU.


I have been around the system side of mainframe computers since 1976 where we went from a single processor to a multiprocessor to maybe 64 today that are carved up into several images. Also I am very knowledgeable about multi-threading of programs (or not). So I understand the benefit of fewer faster cores.


I have an HP 8470p, (has e-sata too, usb 3) it is in that family(Ivy Bridge). They are great machines. They run OSX better than some macbooks, and 5 screens with a docking station(yours has nvdia, I think 4). Depends what you need it for. I paid $120 for mine, I put in another $150 in upgrades, I have an SSD, 16GB. I use it for software dev, run vms, etc. I have intel graphics to make it more OSX friendly, I can run 3 screens. THat screen must be stunning, I have a 14" 1600X900, which is actually larger and more pixels than a brand new macbook air!
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#4528445 - 09/28/17 01:03 PM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: Mathew_Boss]
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Registered: 08/05/02
Posts: 14220
Loc: Silicon Valley
Originally Posted By: Mathew_Boss


Before I left for Afghanistan I bought a new HP Laptop to keep in touch with my family in 2011. I paid $450 extra for the 4 year extedned warranty and accidental damage. The fan quit working 2 months into the deployment. They told me I voided the warranty by taking it out of the country. They wouldn't even send me the fan so I could replace it myself. I have not bought another HP product since. I would look at ASUS laptops. they cost a little more but they are generaly higher quality and you can understand the people they employ for tech support.



Bringing a laptop out of the country void a warranty? Are they supposed to be bolted down?
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#4530631 - 09/30/17 09:05 PM Re: How about this Laptop [Re: PandaBear]
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Registered: 10/06/13
Posts: 793
Loc: Youngstown, NY
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: Mathew_Boss


Before I left for Afghanistan I bought a new HP Laptop to keep in touch with my family in 2011. I paid $450 extra for the 4 year extedned warranty and accidental damage. The fan quit working 2 months into the deployment. They told me I voided the warranty by taking it out of the country. They wouldn't even send me the fan so I could replace it myself. I have not bought another HP product since. I would look at ASUS laptops. they cost a little more but they are generaly higher quality and you can understand the people they employ for tech support.



Bringing a laptop out of the country void a warranty? Are they supposed to be bolted down?

I'm positive the warranty wasn't voided, but i bet they wouldn't send him a fan while he was out of the country.

There's a big difference.
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