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Pickle fork or hammer technique? #4525460
09/25/17 06:02 AM
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ZZman Offline OP
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Going to be doing some suspension work and have seen both a pickle fork used or a hammer used on the side of the part to loosen ball joints/tie rod ends.

What seems to work best for you?


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Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: ZZman] #4525463
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Neither. Go rent the ball joint separation tool from AAP like I did and make your life easier.


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Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: ZZman] #4525465
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Hammer. Pickle forks and seperators are a pain.


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Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: ZZman] #4525470
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The pickle fork is basically guaranteed to rip the ball joint boots. Don't use one unless you're planning on replacing the joint/boot anyway.


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Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: ZZman] #4525477
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Rebuilt the front end on my Toyota pickup this past Spring, and a pickle fork along with a 4 pound baby sledge was fast and easy work.


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Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: Chris Meutsch] #4525502
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Originally Posted By: Chris Meutsch
Neither. Go rent the ball joint separation tool from AAP like I did and make your life easier.

Agreed, or just buy the one from Harbor Freight that looks like this one. I've used it to separate large ball joints on my BMW that hadn't been dissembled in 20 years. It worked just fine:


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Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: exranger06] #4525514
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Once upon a time I was replacing CV joint boots on a 2002 or 2004 Buick Century , Which necessitates pulling the half shaft .

( Caught the problem soon after the boots split and it had just began to sling grease . The CV joints were still OK . :-) )

I found this to be easier if I took the tie rod end off the spindle . One came loose using a hammer . ended up using a pickle fork on the other side . Naturally I messed up the rubber boot .

Being cheap , I did not wish to purchase a new tie rod end just to get the new boot . I did some internet searching & found NAPA had a new boot in stock , separately . Problem solved .

But , while using the hammer , I had screwed the castle nut back on the ball joint shaft / stud & pounded on the nut . Well , I had messed up the thread at the top of the " castle " .

Had to wait until the next day and purchase a new castle nut at a nut & bolt store .

Best of luck to you all , :-)


Wyr
God bless
Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: ZZman] #4525523
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I've had really good luck loosening tie rod ends using a pitman arm puller. You can sometimes use them for ball joints too.


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Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: ZZman] #4525534
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You can rent those balljoint removers at Autozone and simply return them when you're done. Just don't expect anything to exotic.

Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: exranger06] #4525550
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Originally Posted By: exranger06
I've had really good luck loosening tie rod ends using a pitman arm puller. You can sometimes use them for ball joints too.
Heh heh, compared to a 2 LB hammer That IS exotic grin2


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Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: ZZman] #4525552
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Sledge hammer.


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Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: ZZman] #4525563
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I'm a pickle fork user. Its always worked better and with less pounding than any other method. My experience with the puller-type separators is that they usually bend and pop off.


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Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: kschachn] #4525598
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: Chris Meutsch
Neither. Go rent the ball joint separation tool from AAP like I did and make your life easier.

Agreed, or just buy the one from Harbor Freight that looks like this one. I've used it to separate large ball joints on my BMW that hadn't been dissembled in 20 years. It worked just fine:


I had one like that, snapped after about 10 uses. I did really crank it down. My suggestion is as it starts getting tight(and after each rotation) strike it hard with a hammer, or an impact. The compression and impact will release even the worst stuck joints.


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Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: ford46guy] #4525600
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Originally Posted By: ford46guy
I had one like that, snapped after about 10 uses. I did really crank it down. My suggestion is as it starts getting tight(and after each rotation) strike it hard with a hammer, or an impact. The compression and impact will release even the worst stuck joints.

Well you should strike/tap the ball joint head, not the tool. Sometimes that releases it with very little pressure from the separator.


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Re: Pickle fork or hammer technique? [Re: Chris Meutsch] #4525647
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Originally Posted By: Chris Meutsch
Neither. Go rent the ball joint separation tool from AAP like I did and make your life easier.


I agree with this but the hammer approach may be even better for parts looking to be reused.

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