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#4525293 - 09/24/17 10:13 PM Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3
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Registered: 08/15/06
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Loc: Central Washington
In 215/65R16 for the 2003.


Even though I have a usable set Altimax Arctic which I might sell on CL. Something I didnt think about when I bought the Altimax tires and didnt get them studded is they likely rely on the studs to get ice traction. Between the last two winters I got stuck on ice three times with the Altimax and I had a limited slip differential out back. The friction coefficient was so low I could not get the differential clutches to actually grip. It would just grind and act like an open.
I wanted to go back to a performance Ice/Snow tire without the studding capability. My last tires in this category were the Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D that I had on my 2004 with an open differential. I don't remember having any problems with those tires. This category seems to be a good fit for my conditions locally. Its usually fairly dry through the winter which burns up pure studless ice/snow tires. Any rain freezes overnight. Snow melts during the day to become ice. Then theres the freezing rain that comes later in the winter. My top three concerns are probably dry traction/treadlife, ice performance and wet performance.
Over the winter, I will acquire some later 17" steel wheels and 235/55R17 tires to put on the car come spring. Which is my other reasoning for the new tires. I wasnt super excited about paying out $80 to mount tires I wasnt happy with on these wheels and only use for one winter. I just wanted to get a new set, mount them once and leave them on until they are worn out as I will have the 17" set for the remainder of the year.

Should arrive Thursday. Will wait until later next month to get them mounted up.


Edited by Colt45ws (09/24/17 10:14 PM)
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#4525313 - 09/24/17 10:36 PM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: Colt45ws]
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I think I would have went in a different direction.

Michelin xice xi3 perhaps.. but if you want more dry performance those pirellis are a good option.

I had a set of dunlop winter sport m3(predecessor to the dunlop 3d) on my 2007 focus.. was pretty good until season 3 when I slid all over on ice.
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#4525317 - 09/24/17 10:44 PM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: Colt45ws]
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I was watching those too. DTD had their Labor Day sale so I picked up a set of Continentalís for a smidge over $200 so I let the Pirelliís go.

If TR would have dropped their price, I would be riding on them this winter. They rate very well in Euro tire tests.
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#4525323 - 09/24/17 10:59 PM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: LotI]
Colt45ws Offline


Registered: 08/15/06
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Loc: Central Washington
Originally Posted By: LotI
I was watching those too. DTD had their Labor Day sale so I picked up a set of Continentalís for a smidge over $200 so I let the Pirelliís go.

If TR would have dropped their price, I would be riding on them this winter. They rate very well in Euro tire tests.


I was looking at the Continental Wintercontact SI but was unsure about dry traction and treadlife. They are cheaper but again I was concerned about burning them up on dry pavement.

This particular size of the Sottozero 3 is on closeout which made the price palatable. And they have the $80 rebate which will about pay for getting them mounted.
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#4525362 - 09/25/17 12:28 AM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: Rand]
Iowegian Offline


Registered: 01/05/17
Posts: 273
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: Rand
I think I would have went in a different direction.

Michelin xice xi3 perhaps.. but if you want more dry performance those pirellis are a good option.

I had a set of dunlop winter sport m3(predecessor to the dunlop 3d) on my 2007 focus.. was pretty good until season 3 when I slid all over on ice.

thumbsup For the Michelin iceX
Drove my wife's Sienna (with iceX on) on pure ice in high wind and it felt like I was on dry pavement.

Has 40k warranty which reviews on tirerack seemed to confirm that they will last.2


Edited by Iowegian (09/25/17 12:30 AM)
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#4525368 - 09/25/17 12:53 AM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: Rand]
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Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 5059
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Rand
I think I would have went in a different direction.

Michelin xice xi3 perhaps.. but if you want more dry performance those pirellis are a good option.

I had a set of dunlop winter sport m3(predecessor to the dunlop 3d) on my 2007 focus.. was pretty good until season 3 when I slid all over on ice.

These Pirelli's are going to be much better in slush then Xi3 which are probably worst performing winter tire in slush.
While Xi3 are really good in ice, their snow performance is mediocre, especially again, slush.
Michelin was always mid ground tire that in winter category that does everything OK, with emphasis on ice. Pirelli at least in ADAC testing was always better performing tire then any Michelin.
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#4525389 - 09/25/17 02:43 AM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: edyvw]
Colt45ws Offline


Registered: 08/15/06
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Rand
I think I would have went in a different direction.

Michelin xice xi3 perhaps.. but if you want more dry performance those pirellis are a good option.

I had a set of dunlop winter sport m3(predecessor to the dunlop 3d) on my 2007 focus.. was pretty good until season 3 when I slid all over on ice.

These Pirelli's are going to be much better in slush then Xi3 which are probably worst performing winter tire in slush.
While Xi3 are really good in ice, their snow performance is mediocre, especially again, slush.
Michelin was always mid ground tire that in winter category that does everything OK, with emphasis on ice. Pirelli at least in ADAC testing was always better performing tire then any Michelin.

Yeah, I wasn't impressed with the ratings of the XIce. It is a little bit cheaper than these Pirelli.
The slush is a good point. If it does manage to snow, it takes a few days for them to actually get some of the roads plowed. Mean time am driving on slush.

Tire warranties dont mean much to me. I can generally count on getting about 50-60% of the rated miles out of a set of tires and thats been true for every set of tires I ever bought.
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#4525451 - 09/25/17 06:41 AM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: edyvw]
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Registered: 03/29/10
Posts: 1334
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Rand
I think I would have went in a different direction.

Michelin xice xi3 perhaps.. but if you want more dry performance those pirellis are a good option.

I had a set of dunlop winter sport m3(predecessor to the dunlop 3d) on my 2007 focus.. was pretty good until season 3 when I slid all over on ice.

These Pirelli's are going to be much better in slush then Xi3 which are probably worst performing winter tire in slush.
While Xi3 are really good in ice, their snow performance is mediocre, especially again, slush.
Michelin was always mid ground tire that in winter category that does everything OK, with emphasis on ice. Pirelli at least in ADAC testing was always better performing tire then any Michelin.


The XI3, or are you thinking the XI2 which is the older version with a different tread??
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#4525616 - 09/25/17 09:43 AM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: SOHCman]
Iowegian Offline


Registered: 01/05/17
Posts: 273
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: SOHCman
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Rand
I think I would have went in a different direction.

Michelin xice xi3 perhaps.. but if you want more dry performance those pirellis are a good option.

I had a set of dunlop winter sport m3(predecessor to the dunlop 3d) on my 2007 focus.. was pretty good until season 3 when I slid all over on ice.

These Pirelli's are going to be much better in slush then Xi3 which are probably worst performing winter tire in slush.
While Xi3 are really good in ice, their snow performance is mediocre, especially again, slush.
Michelin was always mid ground tire that in winter category that does everything OK, with emphasis on ice. Pirelli at least in ADAC testing was always better performing tire then any Michelin.


The XI3, or are you thinking the XI2 which is the older version with a different tread??


Here is tire rack reviews and road test
Reviews from drivers are very high and road test put them number 2 in snow.
Perellis were not in that test.
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#4525639 - 09/25/17 10:20 AM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: edyvw]
UG_Passat Offline


Registered: 05/27/08
Posts: 2007
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Rand
I think I would have went in a different direction.

Michelin xice xi3 perhaps.. but if you want more dry performance those pirellis are a good option.

I had a set of dunlop winter sport m3(predecessor to the dunlop 3d) on my 2007 focus.. was pretty good until season 3 when I slid all over on ice.

These Pirelli's are going to be much better in slush then Xi3 which are probably worst performing winter tire in slush.
While Xi3 are really good in ice, their snow performance is mediocre, especially again, slush.
Michelin was always mid ground tire that in winter category that does everything OK, with emphasis on ice. Pirelli at least in ADAC testing was always better performing tire then any Michelin.


Always is pretty absolute word to use, and good thing you used past tense.

2016 ADAC winter tire test in 185/65r15, The Michelin Alpin A4 was 2nd place. The Pirelli Cinturato Winter got 8th.

the 2014 195/65r15 * 175/65r14 test, Michelin Alpin 5 also beat the Pirelli SnowControl Serie 3


Edited by UG_Passat (09/25/17 10:23 AM)
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#4525645 - 09/25/17 10:27 AM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: Colt45ws]
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#4525717 - 09/25/17 12:04 PM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: UG_Passat]
chrisri Offline


Registered: 06/01/14
Posts: 1746
Loc: Rijeka, EU
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Rand
I think I would have went in a different direction.

Michelin xice xi3 perhaps.. but if you want more dry performance those pirellis are a good option.

I had a set of dunlop winter sport m3(predecessor to the dunlop 3d) on my 2007 focus.. was pretty good until season 3 when I slid all over on ice.

These Pirelli's are going to be much better in slush then Xi3 which are probably worst performing winter tire in slush.
While Xi3 are really good in ice, their snow performance is mediocre, especially again, slush.
Michelin was always mid ground tire that in winter category that does everything OK, with emphasis on ice. Pirelli at least in ADAC testing was always better performing tire then any Michelin.


Always is pretty absolute word to use, and good thing you used past tense.

2016 ADAC winter tire test in 185/65r15, The Michelin Alpin A4 was 2nd place. The Pirelli Cinturato Winter got 8th.

the 2014 195/65r15 * 175/65r14 test, Michelin Alpin 5 also beat the Pirelli SnowControl Serie 3

Currently I have (run last season) Michelin Alpin 5 in 215/65r16 and my father have a Pirelli Snowcontrol Serie 3 in 195/65 r15. Pirelli were second in 2015 Auto Bild test. Not the same size and not the same vehicles but they are comparable in real situations. Dry/wet, similar. Had not drove the Pirelli in the snow but I'm sure they are great. Premium brands are all high quality IMO.
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#4525759 - 09/25/17 12:51 PM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: Colt45ws]
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Snow tire = Nokian Nokian R2

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#4525806 - 09/25/17 01:50 PM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: khittner]
UG_Passat Offline


Registered: 05/27/08
Posts: 2007
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: khittner
Snow tire = Nokian Nokian R2


but it won't be as good in the cold dry/cold rain as a central European winter tire like the aforementioned Pirelli's. For Nokian, that's why they have the WR A and D series.
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#4525912 - 09/25/17 03:25 PM Re: Bought a set of Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 [Re: UG_Passat]
Colt45ws Offline


Registered: 08/15/06
Posts: 9690
Loc: Central Washington
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: khittner
Snow tire = Nokian Nokian R2


but it won't be as good in the cold dry/cold rain as a central European winter tire like the aforementioned Pirelli's. For Nokian, that's why they have the WR A and D series.


Yeah If I was putting out for a Nokian it would be a WR.

I didnt expect this much Discourse on my tire thread, lol.


Edited by Colt45ws (09/25/17 03:29 PM)
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