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#4523364 - 09/22/17 04:50 PM New fram Ultra synthetic filter?
MikeB4rsk Offline


Registered: 06/18/17
Posts: 14
Loc: Connecticut
Curious about this the old one I have says proven protection up to 15,000 miles where the one I picked up today says 20k so what changed?

Sorry if this was posted before.

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#4523368 - 09/22/17 04:55 PM Fram Ultra now rated up to 20K miles?
Matagonka Offline


Registered: 02/03/15
Posts: 469
Loc: NC
I walked in Walmart today and noticed that the Ultras are now rated up to 20k miles.

http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/fram-ultra-synthetic-oil-filter/


Also, there's a $4 rebate on oil and air filter combo. http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/fram-ultra-synthetic-oil-filter/


Edited by Matagonka (09/22/17 05:03 PM)

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#4523384 - 09/22/17 05:10 PM Re: Fram Ultra now rated up to 20K miles? [Re: Matagonka]
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Registered: 08/14/15
Posts: 755
Loc: CA, USA
Heads up, the rebate is good only till 30 September.
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#4523394 - 09/22/17 05:27 PM Re: New fram Ultra synthetic filter? [Re: MikeB4rsk]
SirTanon Offline


Registered: 06/23/14
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Loc: Phoenix, Arizona - USA
As far as I know, it's basically the same filter - My guess is that Fram did some additional testing an based on the results, upped the rating as a result. Just a guess though.
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#4523443 - 09/22/17 06:36 PM Re: New fram Ultra synthetic filter? [Re: MikeB4rsk]
MikeB4rsk Offline


Registered: 06/18/17
Posts: 14
Loc: Connecticut
Does anyone know what the bypass pressure of the filter is?

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#4523451 - 09/22/17 06:46 PM Re: New fram Ultra synthetic filter? [Re: MikeB4rsk]
SHOZ Offline


Registered: 06/28/03
Posts: 5751
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: MikeB4rsk
Does anyone know what the bypass pressure of the filter is?
Fram list the specs for all their filters. Do a parts search here for the particular filter.

http://www.fram.com/
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#4523507 - 09/22/17 07:40 PM Re: New fram Ultra synthetic filter? [Re: SHOZ]
MikeB4rsk Offline


Registered: 06/18/17
Posts: 14
Loc: Connecticut
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Originally Posted By: MikeB4rsk
Does anyone know what the bypass pressure of the filter is?
Fram list the specs for all their filters. Do a parts search here for the particular filter.

http://www.fram.com/

Nice found it!

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#4523508 - 09/22/17 07:40 PM Re: New fram Ultra synthetic filter? [Re: Matagonka]
goodtimes Offline


Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 2864
Loc: california
Fram footnote 1, 20k or use your owners manual. Most of them give a time limit, often one year, or severe service. Severe is driving in traffic. So if you drive 200 miles in one year, it's oil filter change time. Unless you drive on your own road all alone, it's the severe schedule, not the normal. laugh

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#4523511 - 09/22/17 07:42 PM Re: New fram Ultra synthetic filter? [Re: goodtimes]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17795
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Fram footnote 1, 20k or use your owners manual. Most of them give a time limit, often one year, or severe service.

Yep, just the typical CYA statement used by all filter manufacturers. I've left oil filters on for over 2 years and low mileage with no problems whatsoever - yes, they were cut open and inspected.

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#4523545 - 09/22/17 08:17 PM Re: New fram Ultra synthetic filter? [Re: MikeB4rsk]
4WD Offline


Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6437
Loc: Texas
Great news - I now have at least a 2:1 safety factor. And when M1 AP makes the next price drop the same applies


Edited by 4WD (09/22/17 08:18 PM)

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#4523765 - 09/23/17 07:15 AM Re: New fram Ultra synthetic filter? [Re: Matagonka]
dnewton3 Offline



Registered: 05/14/07
Posts: 7392
Loc: Indianapolis, IN
They might as well make it 50k miles, because when they ALSO include the "Use our filter for 20k miles, or ... while following the OEM OFCI ... or one year ... whatever comes first ..." mantra, the upper end mileage they display for marketing purposes is completely moot. I don't know of a car or LD truck out there that's going to have an IOLM getting out to 20k miles. So the risk is non-existent for Fram. They can claim a super-duper long FCI because they know there's no way in Hades the OFCI will ever get there because of OTHER limits that will be incurred first.

Not unlike the hype over Mobil 1 annual oil; same limits apply.


Edited by dnewton3 (09/23/17 07:16 AM)
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The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money

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#4523794 - 09/23/17 08:22 AM Re: New fram Ultra synthetic filter? [Re: dnewton3]
2015_PSD Offline


Registered: 09/26/10
Posts: 7248
Loc: SE Texas
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
They might as well make it 50k miles, because when they ALSO include the "Use our filter for 20k miles, or ... while following the OEM OFCI ... or one year ... whatever comes first ..." mantra, the upper end mileage they display for marketing purposes is completely moot. I don't know of a car or LD truck out there that's going to have an IOLM getting out to 20k miles. So the risk is non-existent for Fram. They can claim a super-duper long FCI because they know there's no way in Hades the OFCI will ever get there because of OTHER limits that will be incurred first.

Not unlike the hype over Mobil 1 annual oil; same limits apply.
Yes, but marketing rhetoric aside (and I understand and agree with what you are saying), will it actually last 20K miles without tearing or failing in some other way--meaning are they able to hide behind words or do they actually have a product that will do what they say? Based upon the ones that I used out to 17K, I say no problem at all and I would guess they moved the mark from 15K to 20K to compete with M1 filters.
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#4523810 - 09/23/17 08:42 AM Re: New fram Ultra synthetic filter? [Re: Matagonka]
marine65 Offline


Registered: 11/27/14
Posts: 452
Loc: Denver
I just bought one and it says 15000 miles.
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#4523824 - 09/23/17 08:57 AM Re: New fram Ultra synthetic filter? [Re: MikeB4rsk]
alarmguy Offline


Registered: 07/10/12
Posts: 2152
Loc: South Carolina
Originally Posted By: MikeB4rsk
Curious about this the old one I have says proven protection up to 15,000 miles where the one I picked up today says 20k so what changed?

Sorry if this was posted before.


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#4524358 - 09/23/17 09:38 PM Re: New fram Ultra synthetic filter? [Re: dnewton3]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17795
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
They might as well make it 50k miles, because when they ALSO include the "Use our filter for 20k miles, or ... while following the OEM OFCI ... or one year ... whatever comes first ..." mantra, the upper end mileage they display for marketing purposes is completely moot. I don't know of a car or LD truck out there that's going to have an IOLM getting out to 20k miles. So the risk is non-existent for Fram. They can claim a super-duper long FCI because they know there's no way in Hades the OFCI will ever get there because of OTHER limits that will be incurred first.

Not unlike the hype over Mobil 1 annual oil; same limits apply.

It might be possible that some Hondas, etc that call for 2x OCIs on one filter might get near 10K miles on the OLM per OCI. Maybe that is one reason Fram bumped the mileage rating on the Ultra in order to meet the service interval of manufacturers that call for 2x OCIs per filter.

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