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Should Oil Be Changed ? #4522384
09/21/17 04:07 PM
09/21/17 04:07 PM
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Georgia, USA
HouseTiger Offline OP
HouseTiger  Offline OP
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Georgia, USA
Quik backdrop - riding buddy picked up a garage queen, '06 Honda 1100 Vtwin. Low mileage and well maintained. Previous owner kept meticulous log on it, down to noting every time air was added to tires. Rather serious injury (not bike related, thankfully) apparently grounded the guy in early 2016 to the point where his riding days are done, and the bike sat in the garage.

He started it and let it idle, warm up, that sort of thing, every couple of weeks, and from what I gather, it took 16 months to go through the 4 gallons of petrol in the tank. The bike had a new battery put in in early 2016, and the guy kept a trickle charger hooked up to it the entire time it was garaged.

Anyway, my friend rode it over, after giving it a fill up of fresh petrol and a can of seafoam, and we're going over the log book. It notes that the last oil change, filter change, and new spark plugs on that bike was about 10 days before his injury - oil used Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 and NAPA Gold filter. Odometer says it had just under 200 miles on that oil. I took it for a spin, it handles nice, shifts smooth, no indication of anything wrong.

The question posed to me was whether I'd do an oil change. My compadre also rides Honda V twins and uses the T6, etc, etc., so it didn't seem an off the wall question. My first reaction was "heck no" - only a couple hundred miles on it, it's like new oil. Then I got to thinking, yeah, couple hundred miles on the oil, BUT, it's been sitting up for nearly a year and a half.

Any used bike I've ever bought where there wasn't some sort of log kept, first thing was to change the oil and filter. Despite this anal retentive logbook, I'm doubting my own advice and logic . . . so I'll throw this out to others here.

Given that situation, and that we're approaching cooler riding weather, would you change the oil and filter before resuming packing the miles on the bike?

Thanks in advance . . .


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Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: HouseTiger] #4522398
09/21/17 04:24 PM
09/21/17 04:24 PM
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Fl & Vt
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Ride it.


'14 Subaru Crosstrek MT 68k
'15 Tacoma 4x4 MT 27k
'03 Camry AT 145k
'07 BMW R1200GSA 70k
'98 Electra Glide 52k
'04 BMW R1150RT 11k


Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: HouseTiger] #4522403
09/21/17 04:27 PM
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Michigan
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Since your friend trusts the owner and if the oil appears new, just follow the normal Honda maintenance schedule starting the first day he rode it + 200mi. An extra 16 months will make no difference, it takes many, many years for oil to deteriorate.

Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: HouseTiger] #4522413
09/21/17 04:39 PM
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yes, but if the bike was started and idled a lot in the 16 months, we are looking at fuel and water in the oil. I would change it. I have a boat with little use and change oil (15W40) every 2-3 years, but only because when used (once or twice a year) the engine is well warmed up during the boat trip. this is analogues to a short trip oil change advice.

Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: HouseTiger] #4522424
09/21/17 04:49 PM
09/21/17 04:49 PM
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Deep in the heart of Jersey
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If it was mine, I'd change the oil and filter. My reason is the motor never really gets hot when left to idle for short periods. Sludge is what you want to avoid. Oil is cheap , motor reairs are not. Also Check the date on the tires. If they are the originals, change them out. Dry rotted and cracked tires, will start coming apart on you. The battery will probably need replacement if all it was used for was starting the motor, and not being driven to replace the charge fully.A few tanks of gas run thru it, and you'll be good to go.,,,

Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: HouseTiger] #4522490
09/21/17 06:04 PM
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Be a big spender, change the oil.

Get rid of the old oil that might have a bit a gasoline contamination.

Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: BigCahuna] #4522509
09/21/17 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
If it was mine, I'd change the oil and filter. My reason is the motor never really gets hot when left to idle for short periods. Sludge is what you want to avoid. Oil is cheap , motor reairs are not. Also Check the date on the tires. If they are the originals, change them out. Dry rotted and cracked tires, will start coming apart on you. The battery will probably need replacement if all it was used for was starting the motor, and not being driven to replace the charge fully.A few tanks of gas run thru it, and you'll be good to go.,,,


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yup
Change the oil and filter and sleep easy.

Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: danez_yoda] #4522549
09/21/17 07:19 PM
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wv
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Air filter is more important. Could be critters nest in there or neglected since day 1.. take a peek at it.

To change the oil? yes. Its a $20 question that you wont have to ask yourself again.

Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: HouseTiger] #4522580
09/21/17 07:47 PM
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I love these long Detailed OPs and what an enticing suject line for a BITOGer.

A bike that is of age but almost a virgin. Still fresh as a young filly.

Its like reading Penthouse forum as a young man. Funny how past times change.

Can't...stop...thinking...about...OIL.

And as for the Rotella and NAPA Gold? Nope...not worth changing.


Multiple Diesel and Gasoline vehicles
Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: HouseTiger] #4522605
09/21/17 08:12 PM
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$8 worth of oil to get a baseline? CHANGE IT!

Last motorcycle I bought, guy said, "Dont worry about the oil. I just changed it. You should be good to go for about 3000 miles.

Got home, found the oil was 1 quart low (out of 2 quarts total), and was blacker than black. Looked like factory oil to me. People lie.


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13 Yamaha XT250 Valv MC 10W40
12 Suzuki S40 Rotella 15W40
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Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: bubbatime] #4522619
09/21/17 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
$8 worth of oil to get a baseline? CHANGE IT!

Last motorcycle I bought, guy said, "Dont worry about the oil. I just changed it. You should be good to go for about 3000 miles.

Got home, found the oil was 1 quart low (out of 2 quarts total), and was blacker than black. Looked like factory oil to me. People lie.


I thougt the OP said this oil history was well documented. If its not then by all means change it as suggested.


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Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: ArcticDriver] #4522651
09/21/17 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
$8 worth of oil to get a baseline? CHANGE IT!

Last motorcycle I bought, guy said, "Dont worry about the oil. I just changed it. You should be good to go for about 3000 miles.

Got home, found the oil was 1 quart low (out of 2 quarts total), and was blacker than black. Looked like factory oil to me. People lie.


I thougt the OP said this oil history was well documented. If its not then by all means change it as suggested.


I'd just change the oil as a matter of course.

Not necessarily a question of the guy lying. Just maybe a faulty memory. Did he really let it warm up 30 minutes for all those runs? Or was it more like five minutes for three weeks and then 30 minutes once a month. Did he skip a few months or weeks in there? Who needs the aggravation for the price of a few quarts of oil and a filter?

Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: HouseTiger] #4522704
09/21/17 10:43 PM
09/21/17 10:43 PM
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Katy, Republic of Texas
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Lots of idle with no actual riding and Rotella 5w-40 that likes to thin out?

Yeah, I would change it and the filter, just for piece of mind and knowing that what was in there was good.

I just did the exact same thing on the '94 VT1100 (same engine) I bought a few weeks ago.
Guy said oil had been recently changed, and oil looked good on dipstick/papertowel.
I changed it anyway (it was overfilled by half a qt) and shifting improved, even using Supertech 15w-40.
Now I do admit I had a dented filter (from loading in a trailer or truck from what I can figure out), so I would have lost most of the oil changing that filter, but the oil was going to be changed anyway.

As said, a few thousand just spent on the bike, what is another $20-30 (or less).
A gallon of Supertech 15w-40 is $10, a Supertech filter is $3. Run that for a couple of thousand miles to "flush" it out, then go with "good stuff" if you want.
I am not crazy about the Supertech filter due to it having a nitrile ADV (and a combo valve at that), but I am only using it for short term (~500 miles or so). The 6607 is also a tiny filter. I will be using a 3593a filter in the future (almost exact same size as OEM Honda Powersports filter).
I just bought some Peak 15w-40 @ Auto Zone for $5/gallon, and am using some Fram TG I got a Walmart for $1.50.


1994 Honda VT1100: Peak 15w-40/PSL/2500 mile OCI
2002 Ford F150: GTX HM 5w-20/EcoGard Syn/1yr OCI
2012 Scion xB: QSUD 0w-20/CQ Blue/5k OCI

Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: blupupher] #4522720
09/21/17 11:09 PM
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Change!


Respectfully,

Pajero


Always remember "Planned obsolescence."

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Re: Should Oil Be Changed ? [Re: HouseTiger] #4522746
09/22/17 12:37 AM
09/22/17 12:37 AM
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Waco, TX
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I wouldn't change it until after it's been ridden on a few highway trips.

These engines are VERY easy on oil.


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