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#4521315 - 09/20/17 01:41 PM 2017 Winter Tire Tests
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Registered: 01/31/06
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First winter tire test (of 225/45 R18 performance winters) I have seen this season comes from the German magazine Auto Motor und Sport. I don't think ice traction was tested, only snow, wet, and dry. Shina Guide (Russian) has a good summary here:

https://shina.guide/press/11922/#more-11922

Of the ten tires tested, the Continental WinterContact TS850P was scored #1

The Copper Weather Master SA2+ was scored at 10th place.

The Dunlop Winter Sport 5 was scored at 2nd place

The Michelin Pilot Alpin 4 was scored at 4th place

https://translate.google.com/translate?s...&edit-text=

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...All test events were held in Ivalo (Finland) in the spring of 2017 at an air temperature of -2 ° C to -10 ° C. As a test car used the BMW 430i Grand Coupe with an engine power of 252 hp...

...Unlike other participants of AMS tests, which performed well only in certain test disciplines, the Continental TS850P did not compromise anywhere, and therefore the high overall result of the model in the test made it an excellent option for use in the countries of Central Europe, characterized by a mild winter with a predominance wet and dry roads….

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#4521321 - 09/20/17 01:48 PM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: SubLGT]
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I'm not sure why AMS tested the older Conti TS850P instead of the latest TS860. There is also a TS860S.

https://www.continental-tires.com/car/media-services/newsroom/20170913-new-wintercontact-ts-860-s

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#4521350 - 09/20/17 02:10 PM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: SubLGT]
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Interesting. Looks like a nice and fairly comprehensive test. Thanks for posting!
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#4521362 - 09/20/17 02:19 PM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: SubLGT]
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Unfortunately while interesting, most of those tires are not available here so its moderately useless to North America.
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#4521366 - 09/20/17 02:22 PM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: SubLGT]
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I'm in America- I don't need snow tires, just AWD with bald tires!
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#4521372 - 09/20/17 02:29 PM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 12/26/05
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Originally Posted By: Miller88
I'm in America- I don't need snow tires, just AWD with bald tires!

True, that is a predominant attitude. A friend's daughter traded away a perfectly good FWD car so she could get a 4WD Toyota something or other since she drives 25 miles one-way to work here in southeastern Wisconsin. I tried telling her and her dad that if she got a set of good winter tires for her "old" car that it would be vastly superior to nearly any vehicle with 4 all-seasons. The end result is that my old rear-wheel drive BMW with four winter tires is better in the snow than her new 4WD with all-seasons.
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#4521389 - 09/20/17 02:43 PM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: Miller88]
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Originally Posted By: Miller88
I'm in America- I don't need snow tires, just AWD with bald tires!

LOL Right on the nose!
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#4521451 - 09/20/17 04:32 PM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 06/04/13
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Loc: iowa
Originally Posted By: Miller88
I'm in America- I don't need snow tires, just AWD with bald tires!

No $h1t, just pass the SALT, please.


Edited by Traction (09/20/17 04:36 PM)
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#4521460 - 09/20/17 04:42 PM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: SubLGT]
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Loc: USA
Well, at least we get the WM-SA2 hide

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#4521490 - 09/20/17 05:27 PM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: SubLGT]
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#4521500 - 09/20/17 05:39 PM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: LotI]
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Originally Posted By: LotI

^ Great website.
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#4521505 - 09/20/17 05:45 PM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: LotI]
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Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: LotI


Thanks. I took a look there before posting, and missed seeing it. Good to see they are including bar charts.

ADAC test results should be showing up soon.

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#4521726 - 09/20/17 10:20 PM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 05/20/13
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Loc: Saskatchewan, Canada
The European market has different tires than the North American one, but some are the same. Even here, there are different tire compounds for sale here in Canada that you can't buy in the US, and vice versa.

I am quite happy with my Continental ExtremeWinterContacts but winter tires are very local weather related. Someone in North Dakota won't want the same winter traction features as someone in upstate New York and then there's the Pacific Northwest. All different conditions, and it matters.
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#4521816 - 09/21/17 12:55 AM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: SubLGT]
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Registered: 03/08/12
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Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: SubLGT
I'm not sure why AMS tested the older Conti TS850P instead of the latest TS860. There is also a TS860S.

https://www.continental-tires.com/car/media-services/newsroom/20170913-new-wintercontact-ts-860-s

Continental has tradition of bumping old model to performance category, kind of tried and proven to segment where mistakes are less forgiving.
While TS850 (had that tire on my car in Europe, hardly anything comes close to that) was go to tire, for performance category TS830P was go to tire and available here in the U.S. I can only hope they will bring TS850P in the U.S. and it will be available for my BMW, as I would by it immediately.
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#4521817 - 09/21/17 01:00 AM Re: 2017 Winter Tire Tests [Re: Miller88]
edyvw Offline


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Originally Posted By: Miller88
I'm in America- I don't need snow tires, just AWD with bald tires!

As long as it is:
1. Jeep
2. Subaru
3. Pick up truck
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