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#4520815 - 09/19/17 11:58 PM Engine Running Too Cool ?
Merkava_4 Offline

Registered: 01/30/07
Posts: 17501
Loc: Clovis, CA
2000 Buick LeSabre

When I got back to the car from the grocery store, I decided to take the car for a little test trip and watch the water temperature. A/C was off for the whole trip. At the start of the trip, water temperature was 167F and ambient temperature was 70F. Took the car on the freeway for 21.5 miles. As soon as I got on the freeway, the engine starts cooling off. Stayed between 155F and 156F for the whole trip. Exited the freeway and drove about two blocks to the house.

During the time the car was sitting in the driveway at idle waiting for me to open the garage door, the temperature spiked to 182F. The same exact trip the day before with the A/C on, the engine reached a maximum temperature of 176F. Thermostat is not supposed to open until 192F.

What you guys say ?

#4520816 - 09/20/17 12:00 AM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: Merkava_4]
Chris142 Offline

Registered: 06/05/03
Posts: 16817
Loc: Deplorable in apple valley, ca
Thermostat stuck open
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#4520819 - 09/20/17 12:02 AM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: Merkava_4]
3800Series Offline

Registered: 08/02/14
Posts: 1452
Loc: Gulf Coast, MS
Same exact thing with my Regal. Car hit a equilibrium on the highway and once you got off the balance shifted.

#4520821 - 09/20/17 12:06 AM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: Chris142]
zeng Offline

Registered: 09/01/15
Posts: 2187
Loc: Malaysia
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Thermostat stuck open


#4520824 - 09/20/17 12:18 AM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: Merkava_4]
Nick1994 Offline

Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 10097
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
OEM thermostat replacement only Merk. My grandparent's Trailblazer had the thermostat replaced and it ran warmer, turns out the Stant opening was a lot smaller than the OEM one.
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#4520830 - 09/20/17 12:24 AM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: zeng]
Colt45ws Offline

Registered: 08/15/06
Posts: 9637
Loc: Central Washington
Originally Posted By: zeng
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Thermostat stuck open


Ive replaced probably half a dozen thermos in just mine and a couple of friends cars for this same behavior.

Replace the stat.
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#4520882 - 09/20/17 02:39 AM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: Merkava_4]
Dave9 Offline

Registered: 08/28/17
Posts: 176
Loc: Cincinnati, USA
Maybe T-stat but maybe not. The way those are geared, along with the 3800 torque (if/when in good shape) they're barely loafing along at a steady (speed limit) on the highway.

Owners of others cars will not understand that my same generation with a 3800, could run at 40MPH IDLING. Bad side, shifting was anything but performance oriented, and the gearing and high torque wears down brakes faster, like a train pulling when you brake to slow down.

Up to you, you can pull the t-stat and test it in a pot of boiling water if you like, but at that point I'd throw a new one in just because it makes sense to do so while it's so accessible.

However if it were me, I'd warm it up first then drive it like I stole it to get the temperature up, blow a little carbon off the valves, and see if you get that typical temperature plummet that happens when coolant gets around the t-stat rating then suddenly cools down the engine a few degrees because it opened.

#4520931 - 09/20/17 05:59 AM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: Merkava_4]
Tman220 Offline

Registered: 09/20/16
Posts: 144
Loc: MN
No need to over-analyze, no need for a pot of boiling water. It runs too cool and its the thermostat's fault. With the correct thermostat that engine will run pretty steady 194-197F on the highway.

Edited by Tman220 (09/20/17 06:10 AM)
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#4520941 - 09/20/17 06:38 AM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: Merkava_4]
edwardh1 Offline

Registered: 01/17/03
Posts: 2941
Loc: Coastal South Carolina
if the oem has a hole in the stat (to allow bipass water circulation), get a stat that has that too.
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#4521004 - 09/20/17 08:21 AM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: Merkava_4]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7460
Loc: Toronto, Canada
A stuck open thermostat is much harder to spot in warm climates. In Canada it's quite easy but you have to wait for the late fall/early winter to see the temp. gauge not reaching the normal position.

I also vote for a new, OEM thermostat.
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#4521097 - 09/20/17 10:15 AM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: Merkava_4]
RoGuE Offline

Registered: 02/05/08
Posts: 680
Loc: Atlanta, GA
I just had this issue on my Malibu where the temp gauge didn't move at all from cold. Replaced the thermostat and all is well. I was getting a P0128 code. Do you have access to a scan tool?
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#4521391 - 09/20/17 02:44 PM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: Merkava_4]
SHOZ Offline

Registered: 06/28/03
Posts: 5744
Loc: Illinois
I changed t-stats on both my Hyundais this summer. Both OE and both were 'lazy'. they would run about 180-183F n the highway. But in the winter when coasting and slowing down the temp would dip below the 180F marks. Since changing them the run 185F-190F.
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#4521473 - 09/20/17 04:59 PM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: Merkava_4]
JMJNet Offline

Registered: 09/06/07
Posts: 933
Loc: TX, USA
Since it is a Buick, get ACDelco T-stat only not aftermarket.
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#4521833 - 09/21/17 02:35 AM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: JMJNet]
Merkava_4 Offline

Registered: 01/30/07
Posts: 17501
Loc: Clovis, CA
I've already had the new ACDelco thermostat sitting in the box for about 12 years. I even have a couple of extra seals that go around the "saturn" perimeter. What I don't have is the thermostat housing gasket. I got two on special order. Nobody stocks them anymore. Thanks for the replies guys. smile

#4521880 - 09/21/17 06:15 AM Re: Engine Running Too Cool ? [Re: Merkava_4]
mk378 Offline

Registered: 09/27/15
Posts: 1414
Loc: USA
Thermostats with a rubber seal that wraps around the edge of the flange don't need any other gasket.

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