Which one is more suitable for my car which is a Mini Cooper S which has direct injection, twin-scroll turbocharger, and variable valve timing. Oil temp is usually between 105-120 degrees C. Which would be low in calcium and still provide adequate protection.
Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP
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What does the owners manual say ? Are you restricted to a low/ mid saps oil ?
0w40 is Mobil's flagship
Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
What does the owners manual say ? Are you restricted to a low/ mid saps oil ?
Owners manual says any of the following SAE 0w 40, SAE 0W 30, SAE 5W 40, SAE 5W 30
What does the owners manual say ? Are you restricted to a low/ mid saps oil ?
Owners manual says any of the following SAE 0w 40, SAE 0W 30, SAE 5W 40, SAE 5W 30
Originally Posted By: Dorian
M1 0W40 is high in Calcium, FWIW.
High calcium means more prone to LSPI?
M1 0W40 is high in Calcium, FWIW.
High calcium means more prone to LSPI?
Originally Posted By: Dorian
M1 0W40 is high in Calcium, FWIW.
OP is asking about M1 0w-40 ESP, which is not the same as the regular M1 0w-40.
The ESP version is not high in calcium, AFAIK, because it's a low SAPS oil.
M1 0W40 is high in Calcium, FWIW.
OP is asking about M1 0w-40 ESP, which is not the same as the regular M1 0w-40.
The ESP version is not high in calcium, AFAIK, because it's a low SAPS oil.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Dorian
M1 0W40 is high in Calcium, FWIW.
OP is asking about M1 0w-40 ESP, which is not the same as the regular M1 0w-40.
The ESP version is not high in calcium, AFAIK, because it's a low SAPS oil.
What is SAPS? thanks.
Originally Posted By: Dorian
M1 0W40 is high in Calcium, FWIW.
OP is asking about M1 0w-40 ESP, which is not the same as the regular M1 0w-40.
The ESP version is not high in calcium, AFAIK, because it's a low SAPS oil.
What is SAPS? thanks.
What year is your Mini Cooper S? What spec does it say to use? Does it use LL-01 like US-market MCS calls for? What are your driving conditions?
Originally Posted By: Floydian
What is SAPS? thanks.
Sulphated Ash, Phosphorous, Sulphur
What is SAPS? thanks.
Sulphated Ash, Phosphorous, Sulphur
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
What year is your Mini Cooper S? What spec does it say to use? Does it use LL-01 like US-market MCS calls for? What are your driving conditions?
Actually it is not a Mini Cooper S but a BMW 1.20i with the N13 engine (Same as N18 engine found in the Mini Cooper S only it is mounted longitudinally.) I mentioned my car as a Mini Cooper S as the 1 series is not sold in the U.S and not to confuse you guys.
What year is your Mini Cooper S? What spec does it say to use? Does it use LL-01 like US-market MCS calls for? What are your driving conditions?
Actually it is not a Mini Cooper S but a BMW 1.20i with the N13 engine (Same as N18 engine found in the Mini Cooper S only it is mounted longitudinally.) I mentioned my car as a Mini Cooper S as the 1 series is not sold in the U.S and not to confuse you guys.
Originally Posted By: Floydian
Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
What does the owners manual say ? Are you restricted to a low/ mid saps oil ?
Owners manual says any of the following SAE 0w 40, SAE 0W 30, SAE 5W 40, SAE 5W 30
OK, but viscosity grades aside, does it call for any particular mfg spec such as BMW LL-01 or LL-04?
Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
What does the owners manual say ? Are you restricted to a low/ mid saps oil ?
Owners manual says any of the following SAE 0w 40, SAE 0W 30, SAE 5W 40, SAE 5W 30
OK, but viscosity grades aside, does it call for any particular mfg spec such as BMW LL-01 or LL-04?
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Floydian
Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
What does the owners manual say ? Are you restricted to a low/ mid saps oil ?
Owners manual says any of the following SAE 0w 40, SAE 0W 30, SAE 5W 40, SAE 5W 30
OK, but viscosity grades aside, does it call for any particular mfg spec such as BMW LL-01 or LL-04?
LL-01, LL-01 FE, LL-04.
Originally Posted By: Floydian
Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
What does the owners manual say ? Are you restricted to a low/ mid saps oil ?
Owners manual says any of the following SAE 0w 40, SAE 0W 30, SAE 5W 40, SAE 5W 30
OK, but viscosity grades aside, does it call for any particular mfg spec such as BMW LL-01 or LL-04?
LL-01, LL-01 FE, LL-04.
The owners manual will not only give a viscosity, it should also give a BMW oil specification.
BMW LL-01 is a high SAPS oil with Euro ACEA A3/B4 spec
BMW LL-04 is a low or mid SAPS oil with Euro C3 spec
Those M1 ESP oils are C3 oils. Good oils of that is what you are looking for. But so are the high SAPS (non-ESP) versions if that is preferred.
May I ask what country you live in and what is the sulphur content of your fuel ?
If high sulphur I would run an A3/B4 and BMW LL-01 oil.
If low sulphur fuel then the C3 with BMW LL-04 is fine.
BMW LL-01 is a high SAPS oil with Euro ACEA A3/B4 spec
BMW LL-04 is a low or mid SAPS oil with Euro C3 spec
Those M1 ESP oils are C3 oils. Good oils of that is what you are looking for. But so are the high SAPS (non-ESP) versions if that is preferred.
May I ask what country you live in and what is the sulphur content of your fuel ?
If high sulphur I would run an A3/B4 and BMW LL-01 oil.
If low sulphur fuel then the C3 with BMW LL-04 is fine.
Originally Posted By: SR5
The owners manual will not only give a viscosity, it should also give a BMW oil specification.
BMW LL-01 is a high SAPS oil with Euro ACEA A3/B4 spec
BMW LL-04 is a low or mid SAPS oil with Euro C3 spec
Those M1 ESP oils are C3 oils. Good oils of that is what you are looking for. But so are the high SAPS (non-ESP) versions if that is preferred.
May I ask what country you live in and what is the sulphur content of your fuel ?
If high sulphur I would run an A3/B4 and BMW LL-01 oil.
If low sulphur fuel then the C3 with BMW LL-04 is fine.
10mg/kg according to state refinery report. I have no idea if this is high or low. I live in Istanbul, Turkey. Summers here are usually between 27 C - 35 C while in winters it can get cold as -5 C.
Full report of the petrol found here is in the link:
https://www.tupras.com.tr/uploads/Urunler_en/UNLEADED_MOTOR_GASOLINE_95_RON-243.pdf
The owners manual will not only give a viscosity, it should also give a BMW oil specification.
BMW LL-01 is a high SAPS oil with Euro ACEA A3/B4 spec
BMW LL-04 is a low or mid SAPS oil with Euro C3 spec
Those M1 ESP oils are C3 oils. Good oils of that is what you are looking for. But so are the high SAPS (non-ESP) versions if that is preferred.
May I ask what country you live in and what is the sulphur content of your fuel ?
If high sulphur I would run an A3/B4 and BMW LL-01 oil.
If low sulphur fuel then the C3 with BMW LL-04 is fine.
10mg/kg according to state refinery report. I have no idea if this is high or low. I live in Istanbul, Turkey. Summers here are usually between 27 C - 35 C while in winters it can get cold as -5 C.
Full report of the petrol found here is in the link:
https://www.tupras.com.tr/uploads/Urunler_en/UNLEADED_MOTOR_GASOLINE_95_RON-243.pdf
That is 10 ppm sulphur, I consider that low. Temperature is no problem.
Both ESP oils listed should work, plus the full SAPS M1 0W40 A3/B4. We don't get 0W40 ESP here (only 0W30 ESP and 5W30 ESP) it must be unique to your market. Avoid regular M1 5W30 as it's a ILSAC GF-5 oil.
I like the M1 5W30 ESP.
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Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 has the following builder approvals:
BMW Longlife 04
MB-Approval 229.31
MB-Approval 229.51
Volkswagen (Gasoline/Diesel) 504 00/507 00
Porsche C30
Chrysler MS-11106
Peugeot/Citroën Automobiles B71 2290/B71 2297
GM dexos 2
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 meets or exceeds the requirements of:
ACEA C2, C3
API (Meets Engine Test Requirements) SM/SN
JASO DL-1
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 Formula ESP 5W-30 is of the following quality level:
API CF
Volkswagen (Gasoline) 502 00/503 00/503 01
Volkswagen (Diesel) 505 00/506 00
Technical details
SAE Grade 5W-30
Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
@ 40ºC 72.8
@ 100ºC 12.1
Viscosity Index 164
Sulphated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.6
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.58
Pour Point, ºC (ASTM D97) -45
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 254
Both ESP oils listed should work, plus the full SAPS M1 0W40 A3/B4. We don't get 0W40 ESP here (only 0W30 ESP and 5W30 ESP) it must be unique to your market. Avoid regular M1 5W30 as it's a ILSAC GF-5 oil.
I like the M1 5W30 ESP.
Quote:
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 has the following builder approvals:
BMW Longlife 04
MB-Approval 229.31
MB-Approval 229.51
Volkswagen (Gasoline/Diesel) 504 00/507 00
Porsche C30
Chrysler MS-11106
Peugeot/Citroën Automobiles B71 2290/B71 2297
GM dexos 2
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 meets or exceeds the requirements of:
ACEA C2, C3
API (Meets Engine Test Requirements) SM/SN
JASO DL-1
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 Formula ESP 5W-30 is of the following quality level:
API CF
Volkswagen (Gasoline) 502 00/503 00/503 01
Volkswagen (Diesel) 505 00/506 00
Technical details
SAE Grade 5W-30
Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
@ 40ºC 72.8
@ 100ºC 12.1
Viscosity Index 164
Sulphated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.6
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.58
Pour Point, ºC (ASTM D97) -45
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 254
Originally Posted By: SR5
That is 10 ppm sulphur, I consider that low. Temperature is no problem.
Both ESP oils listed should work, plus the full SAPS M1 0W40 A3/B4. We don't get 0W40 ESP here (only 0W30 ESP and 5W30 ESP) it must be unique to your market. Avoid regular M1 5W30 as it's a ILSAC GF-5 oil.
I like the M1 5W30 ESP.
Quote:
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 has the following builder approvals:
BMW Longlife 04
MB-Approval 229.31
MB-Approval 229.51
Volkswagen (Gasoline/Diesel) 504 00/507 00
Porsche C30
Chrysler MS-11106
Peugeot/Citroën Automobiles B71 2290/B71 2297
GM dexos 2
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 meets or exceeds the requirements of:
ACEA C2, C3
API (Meets Engine Test Requirements) SM/SN
JASO DL-1
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 Formula ESP 5W-30 is of the following quality level:
API CF
Volkswagen (Gasoline) 502 00/503 00/503 01
Volkswagen (Diesel) 505 00/506 00
Technical details
SAE Grade 5W-30
Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
@ 40ºC 72.8
@ 100ºC 12.1
Viscosity Index 164
Sulphated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.6
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.58
Pour Point, ºC (ASTM D97) -45
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 254
Thanks!
What would be your view on using Motul 300V?
That is 10 ppm sulphur, I consider that low. Temperature is no problem.
Both ESP oils listed should work, plus the full SAPS M1 0W40 A3/B4. We don't get 0W40 ESP here (only 0W30 ESP and 5W30 ESP) it must be unique to your market. Avoid regular M1 5W30 as it's a ILSAC GF-5 oil.
I like the M1 5W30 ESP.
Quote:
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 has the following builder approvals:
BMW Longlife 04
MB-Approval 229.31
MB-Approval 229.51
Volkswagen (Gasoline/Diesel) 504 00/507 00
Porsche C30
Chrysler MS-11106
Peugeot/Citroën Automobiles B71 2290/B71 2297
GM dexos 2
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 meets or exceeds the requirements of:
ACEA C2, C3
API (Meets Engine Test Requirements) SM/SN
JASO DL-1
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 Formula ESP 5W-30 is of the following quality level:
API CF
Volkswagen (Gasoline) 502 00/503 00/503 01
Volkswagen (Diesel) 505 00/506 00
Technical details
SAE Grade 5W-30
Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
@ 40ºC 72.8
@ 100ºC 12.1
Viscosity Index 164
Sulphated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 0.6
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC (ASTM D4683) 3.58
Pour Point, ºC (ASTM D97) -45
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 254
Thanks!
What would be your view on using Motul 300V?
Motul 300V is one of those oils I have admired from afar. It looks good on paper but unless racing or something, I've never been convinced it's worth the extra price above regular name brands like Shell, Castrol or Mobil.
Even if racing I would probably step it up to M1 15W50 or Edge 10W60, good high zinc PAO based oils.
For you the big thing is get a oil with the correct BMW LL-01 or LL-04 spec, as that is what the engineers who made the engine want you to use.
BTW I enjoyed my time in Instanbul and Canakkale.
Even if racing I would probably step it up to M1 15W50 or Edge 10W60, good high zinc PAO based oils.
For you the big thing is get a oil with the correct BMW LL-01 or LL-04 spec, as that is what the engineers who made the engine want you to use.
BTW I enjoyed my time in Instanbul and Canakkale.
Originally Posted By: SR5
Motul 300V is one of those oils I have admired from afar. It looks good on paper but unless racing or something, I've never been convinced it's worth the extra price above regular name brands like Shell, Castrol or Mobil.
Even if racing I would probably step it up to M1 15W50 or Edge 10W60, good high zinc PAO based oils.
For you the big thing is get a oil with the correct BMW LL-01 or LL-04 spec, as that is what the engineers who made the engine want you to use.
BTW I enjoyed my time in Instanbul and Canakkale.
Thanks for the advice!
Motul 300V is one of those oils I have admired from afar. It looks good on paper but unless racing or something, I've never been convinced it's worth the extra price above regular name brands like Shell, Castrol or Mobil.
Even if racing I would probably step it up to M1 15W50 or Edge 10W60, good high zinc PAO based oils.
For you the big thing is get a oil with the correct BMW LL-01 or LL-04 spec, as that is what the engineers who made the engine want you to use.
BTW I enjoyed my time in Instanbul and Canakkale.
Thanks for the advice!
That M1 5W30 ESP carries Porsche C30, that is probably one of the highest quality oil specs you can get.
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