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#4517896 - 09/16/17 02:34 PM Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
Posts: 46
Loc: Outside U.S
Which one is more suitable for my car which is a Mini Cooper S which has direct injection, twin-scroll turbocharger, and variable valve timing. Oil temp is usually between 105-120 degrees C. Which would be low in calcium and still provide adequate protection.

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#4517921 - 09/16/17 03:07 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: Floydian]
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Registered: 06/22/17
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Loc: Western usa
What does the owners manual say ? Are you restricted to a low/ mid saps oil ?

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#4517926 - 09/16/17 03:14 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: Floydian]
FermeLaPorte Offline


Registered: 07/25/17
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0w40 is Mobil's flagship
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#4517930 - 09/16/17 03:21 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: Floydian]
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M1 0W40 is high in Calcium, FWIW.
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#4517932 - 09/16/17 03:21 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: Ammofirst]
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
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Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
What does the owners manual say ? Are you restricted to a low/ mid saps oil ?


Owners manual says any of the following SAE 0w 40, SAE 0W 30, SAE 5W 40, SAE 5W 30

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#4517940 - 09/16/17 03:31 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: Dorian]
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
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Originally Posted By: Dorian
M1 0W40 is high in Calcium, FWIW.


High calcium means more prone to LSPI?

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#4517943 - 09/16/17 03:35 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: Dorian]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Originally Posted By: Dorian
M1 0W40 is high in Calcium, FWIW.

OP is asking about M1 0w-40 ESP, which is not the same as the regular M1 0w-40.

The ESP version is not high in calcium, AFAIK, because it's a low SAPS oil.

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#4517947 - 09/16/17 03:40 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: Quattro Pete]
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Dorian
M1 0W40 is high in Calcium, FWIW.

OP is asking about M1 0w-40 ESP, which is not the same as the regular M1 0w-40.

The ESP version is not high in calcium, AFAIK, because it's a low SAPS oil.



What is SAPS? thanks.

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#4517955 - 09/16/17 04:05 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: Floydian]
slacktide_bitog Offline


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What year is your Mini Cooper S? What spec does it say to use? Does it use LL-01 like US-market MCS calls for? What are your driving conditions? smile



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#4517968 - 09/16/17 04:32 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: Floydian]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Originally Posted By: Floydian
What is SAPS? thanks.

Sulphated Ash, Phosphorous, Sulphur
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#4517976 - 09/16/17 04:40 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: slacktide_bitog]
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
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Loc: Outside U.S
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
What year is your Mini Cooper S? What spec does it say to use? Does it use LL-01 like US-market MCS calls for? What are your driving conditions? smile




Actually it is not a Mini Cooper S but a BMW 1.20i with the N13 engine (Same as N18 engine found in the Mini Cooper S only it is mounted longitudinally.) I mentioned my car as a Mini Cooper S as the 1 series is not sold in the U.S and not to confuse you guys. smile

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#4517978 - 09/16/17 04:42 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: Floydian]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 35882
Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: Floydian
Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
What does the owners manual say ? Are you restricted to a low/ mid saps oil ?


Owners manual says any of the following SAE 0w 40, SAE 0W 30, SAE 5W 40, SAE 5W 30

OK, but viscosity grades aside, does it call for any particular mfg spec such as BMW LL-01 or LL-04?
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#4517993 - 09/16/17 04:56 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: Quattro Pete]
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
Posts: 46
Loc: Outside U.S
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Floydian
Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
What does the owners manual say ? Are you restricted to a low/ mid saps oil ?


Owners manual says any of the following SAE 0w 40, SAE 0W 30, SAE 5W 40, SAE 5W 30

OK, but viscosity grades aside, does it call for any particular mfg spec such as BMW LL-01 or LL-04?


LL-01, LL-01 FE, LL-04.

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#4517994 - 09/16/17 04:57 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: Floydian]
SR5 Offline


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The owners manual will not only give a viscosity, it should also give a BMW oil specification.

BMW LL-01 is a high SAPS oil with Euro ACEA A3/B4 spec
BMW LL-04 is a low or mid SAPS oil with Euro C3 spec

Those M1 ESP oils are C3 oils. Good oils of that is what you are looking for. But so are the high SAPS (non-ESP) versions if that is preferred.

May I ask what country you live in and what is the sulphur content of your fuel ?
If high sulphur I would run an A3/B4 and BMW LL-01 oil.
If low sulphur fuel then the C3 with BMW LL-04 is fine.
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#4518003 - 09/16/17 05:07 PM Re: Mobil 1 5w30 ESP vs. Mobil 1 0w40 ESP [Re: SR5]
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
Posts: 46
Loc: Outside U.S
Originally Posted By: SR5
The owners manual will not only give a viscosity, it should also give a BMW oil specification.

BMW LL-01 is a high SAPS oil with Euro ACEA A3/B4 spec
BMW LL-04 is a low or mid SAPS oil with Euro C3 spec

Those M1 ESP oils are C3 oils. Good oils of that is what you are looking for. But so are the high SAPS (non-ESP) versions if that is preferred.

May I ask what country you live in and what is the sulphur content of your fuel ?
If high sulphur I would run an A3/B4 and BMW LL-01 oil.
If low sulphur fuel then the C3 with BMW LL-04 is fine.


10mg/kg according to state refinery report. I have no idea if this is high or low. I live in Istanbul, Turkey. Summers here are usually between 27 C - 35 C while in winters it can get cold as -5 C.

Full report of the petrol found here is in the link:

https://www.tupras.com.tr/uploads/Urunler_en/UNLEADED_MOTOR_GASOLINE_95_RON-243.pdf

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