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#4517257 - 09/15/17 05:32 PM Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids
sloinker Offline


Registered: 08/13/17
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I now have two new Volkswagen's that have DSG transmissions. With the 40k service interval and fluid prices and types all over the map I'm wondering? I want maximum transmission life. Any thoughts?

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#4517280 - 09/15/17 06:05 PM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: sloinker]
sloinker Offline


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The drivetrain/tranny warranty is 60k, so VW probably is content that their mineral based spec oil is good enough for the warranty life. I on the other hand would just as soon get 100-200k out of the tranny without having to fork over the big money for a new one too soon.

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#4517286 - 09/15/17 06:17 PM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: sloinker]
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I'm not knowledgeable on VW's DSG transmissions but if in doubt OEM is a good safe choice.

I know hyundai for example tests the ATF for markers(to determine if its oem fluid) before doing any transmission repairs.
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#4517301 - 09/15/17 06:36 PM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: sloinker]
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Amalie has the best price on DCT fluid. $76.29 for a case of 12 smile

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#4517318 - 09/15/17 07:00 PM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: sloinker]
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DSG fluid should be changed every 60000km or 4 years according to VW.

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#4517325 - 09/15/17 07:10 PM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: Floydian]
sloinker Offline


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40,000 mile interval according to the maintenance manual with the cars. That's close to 60,000 kilometers I suppose. I will endeavor to be clearer on mileage in future posts.

Any advantage for longevity using a synthetic over a mineral based fluid?

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#4517328 - 09/15/17 07:15 PM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: sloinker]
slacktide_bitog Offline


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Originally Posted By: sloinker
40,000 mile interval according to the maintenance manual with the cars. That's close to 60,000 kilometers I suppose. I will endeavor to be clearer on mileage in future posts.

Any advantage for longevity using a synthetic over a mineral based fluid?


Synthetic will probably last longer than a mineral/dino fluid, but I'd still change it at least the recommended 40k, if not more often. DCT tech is still not mature yet, and especially the way they act in regular daily driving in the city, even with brand new fluid.

My suggestion would be to change it at the recommended 40k while under warranty, then annually once the warranty is up. Especially since Amalie DCT fluid is a good price smile

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#4517333 - 09/15/17 07:18 PM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: sloinker]
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Originally Posted By: sloinker
The drivetrain/tranny warranty is 60k, so VW probably is content that their mineral based spec oil is good enough for the warranty life. I on the other hand would just as soon get 100-200k out of the tranny without having to fork over the big money for a new one too soon.


Why do you assume it's mineral based?
http://www.pentosin.net/specsheets/Pentosin_FFL-2.pdf

OP, go to ECS tuning for a wide variety of VW parts and an array of different DSG fluids: https://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Jetta_VI-Sedan-2.0T_Gen3_GLI/Drivetrain/DSG_Transmission/Fluid/
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#4517337 - 09/15/17 07:21 PM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: slacktide_bitog]
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Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Originally Posted By: sloinker
40,000 mile interval according to the maintenance manual with the cars. That's close to 60,000 kilometers I suppose. I will endeavor to be clearer on mileage in future posts.

Any advantage for longevity using a synthetic over a mineral based fluid?


Synthetic will probably last longer than a mineral/dino fluid, but I'd still change it at least the recommended 40k, if not more often. DCT tech is still not mature yet, and especially the way they act in regular daily driving in the city, even with brand new fluid.

My suggestion would be to change it at the recommended 40k while under warranty, then annually once the warranty is up. Especially since Amalie DCT fluid is a good price smile


People shouldn't expect such a transmission to act like a conventional automatic with a torque converter.
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#4517355 - 09/15/17 07:47 PM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: sloinker]
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Factory fluid and filters and at factory 40k intervals will see your DSG last a long time.

The only times I ever really saw issues with them was when fluid changes were neglected.
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#4517418 - 09/15/17 09:11 PM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: sloinker]
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Ive always done my own DSG service its not hard. I use the drain/measure/replace method instead of the torturous fill from the bottom factory method.
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#4517528 - 09/16/17 12:25 AM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: sloinker]
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Stick with Pentosin and use the above method^^^. Happy DSG for years.
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#4517535 - 09/16/17 12:54 AM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: sloinker]
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Get OE fluid (VW) or Pentosin.
Do not experiment with DSG fluid, bad fluid or not changing fluid is No. 1 cause of failure.
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#4517633 - 09/16/17 08:07 AM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: sloinker]
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while researching tranny fluids i found out most OE are "synthetic" but the cheaper group III type, actually its just a thinner petroleum product with different additives. most drain + refill changes prolly get 1/3 to 1/2 the fluid so change early + often as trannys especially DSG's are very $$$$!!! i am a 3 pedal guy, no manual trans = no sale to me!!!

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#4517922 - 09/16/17 03:07 PM Re: Direct shift/Dual Clutch fluids [Re: skyactiv]
sloinker Offline


Registered: 08/13/17
Posts: 84
Loc: WY
Originally Posted By: skyactiv
Originally Posted By: sloinker
The drivetrain/tranny warranty is 60k, so VW probably is content that their mineral based spec oil is good enough for the warranty life. I on the other hand would just as soon get 100-200k out of the tranny without having to fork over the big money for a new one too soon.


Why do you assume it's mineral based?
http://www.pentosin.net/specsheets/Pentosin_FFL-2.pdf

OP, go to ECS tuning for a wide variety of VW parts and an array of different DSG fluids: https://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Jetta_VI-Sedan-2.0T_Gen3_GLI/Drivetrain/DSG_Transmission/Fluid/

http://www.pentosin.net/specsheets/Pentosin_FFL-2.pdf
Seems to me I found somewhere that the OE fluid is a blend.
Pentosin among others seems like a good choice except where it says not to mix with non-synthetics.
If the OE oil is a blend will it be ok to change to Pentosin knowing there is a percentage of the original oil left after draining?


Edited by sloinker (09/16/17 03:19 PM)

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