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#4516630 - 09/14/17 10:48 PM 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40
jdoucet Offline


Registered: 07/31/14
Posts: 7
Loc: California
Well, this might not be good. To answer the question in the comments, the oil pressure is normal in that the oil light goes out immediately after starting, and I have not noticed any knocking. Any ideas?



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#4516643 - 09/14/17 11:11 PM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: jdoucet]
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Can't read it? To small.
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#4516650 - 09/14/17 11:27 PM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: jdoucet]
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Second try.



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#4516656 - 09/14/17 11:36 PM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: jdoucet]
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Loc: Midwest, Illinois
That's a LOT of copper.
I'm not crazy about 5w40 in the Strom.
I rode an SV for a couple seasons, and found it liked and had better UOA on 20w50's than xw40's.
What is total mileage on the bike?
Try a 20w50, run another UOA and see if you trend down.
Nothing special in the Suzy,you do not need synthetic. Havoline 20w50, Pennzoil 20 or even 25w50 is just fine (unless you have heated gear and ride all winter) and clutch friendly. Don't lug the engine, keep that twin moving.
Get a Bales filter stub, switch to more common 6607 or 7317 filter also. You'll save some cash and have a range of better filters.
http://balestech.com/filter.htm


Edited by beanoil (09/14/17 11:38 PM)
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#4516677 - 09/15/17 12:38 AM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: jdoucet]
Reddy45 Offline


Registered: 08/15/08
Posts: 2968
Loc: USA
How did you pull the sample? After a long hot ride and directly from the drain?

Those numbers are not good.

Have you been doing a lot of extended wheelies?

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#4518737 - 09/17/17 04:20 PM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: beanoil]
jdoucet Offline


Registered: 07/31/14
Posts: 7
Loc: California
Switched out to Rotella 15w-40 yesterday, has some on hand. I'll see if that makes any difference.


Edited by jdoucet (09/17/17 04:35 PM)

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#4518739 - 09/17/17 04:22 PM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: Reddy45]
jdoucet Offline


Registered: 07/31/14
Posts: 7
Loc: California
Yep, hot oil after a ride, directly into sample bottle from drain hole. Don't wheelie, traction control keeps the front wheel down.

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#4519068 - 09/17/17 11:00 PM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: jdoucet]
Reddy45 Offline


Registered: 08/15/08
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Loc: USA
Best of luck. These motors are normally bulletproof and very reliable.

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#4519221 - 09/18/17 08:29 AM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: jdoucet]
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Registered: 06/28/05
Posts: 1936
Loc: Cedar Park, TX
that may be the highest copper reading i have ever seen
congrats in a UH OH kinda way
you need to look at thrust bearings or bushings
tin and lead ... while typical of saddle bearings...how many does your motor really have?
i would bet close to zero
so....where is tin and lead coming from?
also is the titanium a ghost of the famous [censored] silver 1 or actually in it?
if so where is the Ti coming from as well? might be related.
any idea on valve guide material?

while i dont like 5w40 in shared sump bikes in the summer they do NOT cause this kind of wear.
your flash and susvis show it wasnt that thin (upper 30wt)
so...we need to figure out where these number a coming from
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#4519990 - 09/19/17 05:50 AM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: jdoucet]
alarmguy Offline


Registered: 07/10/12
Posts: 2152
Loc: South Carolina
Originally Posted By: jdoucet
Switched out to Rotella 15w-40 yesterday, has some on hand. I'll see if that makes any difference.


Yes, I dont know how much of a difference it will make but until I saw your post I was going to suggest that you use the recommended weight oil as a starting point which you are now doing, Rotella T6 5w40 weight oil is not a recommended oil for your engine to the best of my knowledge.
Agree with sunrah, I doubt this issue is just the oil, just make sense to use the proper oil to begin with and T6 5/40 is not..


Edited by alarmguy (09/19/17 05:54 AM)
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#4520450 - 09/19/17 04:21 PM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: jdoucet]
jgturbo Offline


Registered: 05/04/17
Posts: 5
Loc: Oregon
Wet clutch friction plates often contain a fair amount of copper. I wonder if that's part of it?

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#4520933 - 09/20/17 06:07 AM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: jgturbo]
alarmguy Offline


Registered: 07/10/12
Posts: 2152
Loc: South Carolina
Not for anything as I do not know much about your engine, but here are UOAs from older ones of the same bike.

This guy ran 4 UOAs short OCIs, looking at them, it seems like maybe the iron is normal in your UOA but your copper is whacked out for sure. Again, based on this ... and as you can see, oil type doesnt matter as much, in most aces we split hairs, not to say it doesnt matter but who knows what does matter... for a limited test on limited elements.

Click here, 4 UOAs on your bike engine (I think)
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#4520935 - 09/20/17 06:13 AM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: alarmguy]
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Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6374
Loc: Texas
Never understood the T6 (put it in everything) obsessions here ... did they ever get NOACK down?

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#4521517 - 09/20/17 06:08 PM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: 4WD]
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Registered: 07/10/12
Posts: 2152
Loc: South Carolina
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Nvever understood the T6 (put it in everything) obsessions here ...


Me too
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#4522021 - 09/21/17 09:05 AM Re: 2014 V Strom 1000 Rotella T6 5W-40 [Re: jdoucet]
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Registered: 06/28/05
Posts: 1936
Loc: Cedar Park, TX
blue jug 5w40 is a great oil
its just not great for a shared sump motor/tranny
it can be a great winter oil with a short oci
it just doesnt have much shear resistance for the tranny gears from what i have tested

and once again, the oil is NOT the source of his copper issue...something else is clearly in play here


Edited by sunruh (09/21/17 09:06 AM)
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