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2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC #4516498
09/14/17 07:20 PM
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Had a question about my 2017 Fusion today and visited the Local Ford dealer's Service Center. I saw the body shop mgr. and we started talking Fords and maintenance. He told me his Escape(4 cyl Duratech) gets 3-5K OCIs using MC 5-20. Still uses no oil in his rather short OCI. He gasp when I told him I do 10K OCIs. I was also told they service many very high mileage Fords that use 5-20 with no unusual engine wear.

Last edited by tig1; 09/14/17 07:21 PM.

2007 Ford Fusion 235,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 60K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: tig1] #4516500
09/14/17 07:23 PM
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So what's the question? The answer is yes, Ford engines typically will make it to 300k with anything resembling normal oil changes smile

Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4516506
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Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
So what's the question? The answer is yes, Ford engines typically will make it to 300k with anything resembling normal oil changes smile


The question had to do with the high tech way some things work on these newer cars. Someday I'll figure it out. Possibly!


2007 Ford Fusion 235,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 60K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: tig1] #4516521
09/14/17 07:38 PM
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The land of USA-made Subies!
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It's funny. My mom just bought a new Forester and the biggest thing she misses? Automatic door locks when she puts the car in drive. Yes, we really have become that lazy!

Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: tig1] #4516537
09/14/17 07:54 PM
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Great White North.. eh
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I suspect for most cars, in the majority of use cases, 5w20 will work just fine. Add a little severe service, under the wrong conditions, and I don't believe it is up to the task.


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: webfors] #4516550
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Originally Posted By: webfors
I suspect for most cars, in the majority of use cases, 5w20 will work just fine. Add a little severe service, under the wrong conditions, and I don't believe it is up to the task.


Are police cars under severe service? Our local police force have Fords. They are serviced at the local Ford dealer(and have for the last 60+ years) I mentioned. They use MC 5-20, and MC filters since the early 2000s, and according to the "service mgr", failed engines are a rarity.


2007 Ford Fusion 235,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 60K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: tig1] #4516563
09/14/17 08:14 PM
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I'd be willing to bet he gets the oil free from the dealership since he works there.. probably does the changes himself, or has one of the low-level techs do it for him, so really the cost is $0.. in that case, I guess doing a 3k-5k OCI would be easy, free, prevention in his mind.

Was he an older guy?


2010 Ford Fusion SE - 2.5 liter/6F35 Trans - 266,000mi
2014 Nissan Altima SL - 2.5 liter/CVT - 60,000mi
Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: tig1] #4516565
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Yup, yup, that's how it works. Everything is free if you work at a dealer crzy

Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: Ethan1] #4516573
09/14/17 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: Ethan1
Yup, yup, that's how it works. Everything is free if you work at a dealer crzy


He's a manager.. there are perks.. some of them are even the "look the other way" kind. I've worked at multiple dealerships in the past. Quite a few managers got lots of freebies.

For the average shmo, no.. But he even said, the guy is the Body Shop manager.


2010 Ford Fusion SE - 2.5 liter/6F35 Trans - 266,000mi
2014 Nissan Altima SL - 2.5 liter/CVT - 60,000mi
Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: tig1] #4516580
09/14/17 08:27 PM
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Great White North.. eh
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Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: webfors
I suspect for most cars, in the majority of use cases, 5w20 will work just fine. Add a little severe service, under the wrong conditions, and I don't believe it is up to the task.


Are police cars under severe service? Our local police force have Fords. They are serviced at the local Ford dealer(and have for the last 60+ years) I mentioned. They use MC 5-20, and MC filters since the early 2000s, and according to the "service mgr", failed engines are a rarity.


nah, that's ideal conditions. Oil always hot, frequent brief accelerations. I would consider a short tripper to be more severe.

My recent tow through eastern Canada, now that was severe. It's all about engine temps IMO, which means it's all about viscosity.


17 Cadillac ATS 2.0T, Edge D1G2 5w30, XG10575
17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: webfors] #4516616
09/14/17 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: webfors
I suspect for most cars, in the majority of use cases, 5w20 will work just fine. Add a little severe service, under the wrong conditions, and I don't believe it is up to the task.


Are police cars under severe service? Our local police force have Fords. They are serviced at the local Ford dealer(and have for the last 60+ years) I mentioned. They use MC 5-20, and MC filters since the early 2000s, and according to the "service mgr", failed engines are a rarity.


nah, that's ideal conditions. Oil always hot, frequent brief accelerations. I would consider a short tripper to be more severe.

My recent tow through eastern Canada, now that was severe. It's all about engine temps IMO, which means it's all about viscosity.


BufordTJustis would disagree. Scroll up to his post made at 10:15 AM.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4516018/30,000_mile_drains,_police_car#Post4516018

Last edited by tig1; 09/14/17 09:30 PM.

2007 Ford Fusion 235,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 60K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4516618
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Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
It's funny. My mom just bought a new Forester and the biggest thing she misses? Automatic door locks when she puts the car in drive. Yes, we really have become that lazy!


Her NEW Forester does not have this feature?


2012 Honda Accord EX-L K24z3
54,xxx miles
PPPP 0w20 / Fram Ultra

2014 VW Jetta SE 1.8T ea888
40,xxx miles
Castrol OEM dealer fill / OEM filter
Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: gregk24] #4516712
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My moms 2017 Forester does not have auto doors locks and the headlights do not activate when the wipers are turned on.I find this odd but I must say I like her Forester with the touring package better than my Ford Escape.


2018 Subaru Forester Touring
2.5L engine/CVT
Subaru Filters/Castrol Edge 0W20
Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: tig1] #4516806
09/15/17 06:47 AM
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Yes Greg. Like Joe said, no "auto" locks or "auto" headlights (hers is the premium), but one thing Subaru still does is that you simply leave the headlight switch on all the time, and they shut off when you turn the key to the fully off position. It may not be auto, but it is still a 'set and forget' feature. Subaru has been doing it for a long time, since my 01 Forester does the same thing.

Re: 2006 Ford Escape, 300K 5-20 MC [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4516829
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Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
It's funny. My mom just bought a new Forester and the biggest thing she misses? Automatic door locks when she puts the car in drive. Yes, we really have become that lazy!


That's the first thing I disable on a vehicle that has it automatically lock when in gear or when I start moving.

I'm too lazy to replace lock actuators when they wear out from getting used 5x a driving cycle.


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00 Jeep Cherokee
01 Ford F-350 XL 4x4 5M
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