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Honda Motorcycle Oil - No Energy Conserving Oil #4516368
09/14/17 06:19 PM
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CACTUS24 Offline OP
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I just bought a Honda Forza large Scooter 279cc,
Looking at the Owners Manual Honda says use 10W-30, do not use Energy Conserving oil.
I would like to use Mobil-1 5W-30, why don't Honda like energy conserving oils.
I know aviation oils won't leave deposit in aviation engines, automotive oil will.
I have heard, maybe, high mileage oils may affect rubber timing belts.

Cactus24
Pensylvania

Re: Honda Motorcycle Oil - No Energy Conserving Oil [Re: CACTUS24] #4516375
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The friction modifiers can cause wet clutches to slip.

Re: Honda Motorcycle Oil - No Energy Conserving Oil [Re: CACTUS24] #4516383
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The M1 HM oil is not energy conserving


Always Mobil 1
2014 1.6L Nissan Versa Sedan, 5 spd, 5k OCI.
2011 3.5L Chevrolet Impala, Automatic, 5k OCI.
Re: Honda Motorcycle Oil - No Energy Conserving Oil [Re: CACTUS24] #4516385
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Its a scooter. It does not have a wet clutch.





Re: Honda Motorcycle Oil - No Energy Conserving Oil [Re: CACTUS24] #4516390
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Nice scooter!

If I remember right, Honda did some testing years ago and discovered automotive 10W30's with a lower HTHS than 3.5 cause certain parts in a motorcycles transmission to wear out prematurely. Yes, I know you don't have a sequential transmission nor a wet clutch like a lot of motorcycles do. But Honda feels that a scooter or motorcycle oil should be on the thick side of a 10W30. Many Euro auto makers are in the same camp for their vehicles regarding the HTHS number.

Last edited by skyactiv; 09/14/17 06:41 PM. Reason: omitted a word

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Re: Honda Motorcycle Oil - No Energy Conserving Oil [Re: skyactiv] #4516432
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I will stay with the Honda Motorcycle Oil 10W-30 then.

Re: Honda Motorcycle Oil - No Energy Conserving Oil [Re: CACTUS24] #4516442
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10W40 will work too. I have run it in Hondas and scooters with good success.





Re: Honda Motorcycle Oil - No Energy Conserving Oil [Re: endeavor to persevere] #4516570
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Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
10W40 will work too. I have run it in Hondas and scooters with good success.


Yep. I run 10w40 in my Honda NC750 instead of the recommended 10w30 and it's great. Zero effect on fuel economy or power. The gear changes smoothed out remarkably, not that you'll have that issue with your scooter...


MY16 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.2 diesel, 57,000km - Castrol 5w30
2006 Ford Falcon 4.0, 140,000km - Valvoline Engine Armour 15w40, Ryco filter
Re: Honda Motorcycle Oil - No Energy Conserving Oil [Re: CACTUS24] #4516685
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I ran inexpensive 15W-40 "diesel" oil in my 1999 Suzuki VZ800 Marauder for 84,000 miles. Thicker is better smile


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Re: Honda Motorcycle Oil - No Energy Conserving Oil [Re: CACTUS24] #4517259
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I just ordered AMSOIL 10W-30 Synthetic Metric Motorcycle oil.

Re: Honda Motorcycle Oil - No Energy Conserving Oil [Re: skyactiv] #4519432
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I know they found more gear wear than they wanted, but the last figure I saw was either 2.9 or 2.7 cP.

Originally Posted By: skyactiv

If I remember right, Honda did some testing years ago and discovered automotive 10W30's with a lower HTHS than 3.5 cause certain parts in a motorcycles transmission to wear out prematurely. Yes, I know you don't have a sequential transmission nor a wet clutch like a lot of motorcycles do. But Honda feels that a scooter or motorcycle oil should be on the thick side of a 10W30. Many Euro auto makers are in the same camp for their vehicles regarding the HTHS number.

Re: Honda Motorcycle Oil - No Energy Conserving Oil [Re: CACTUS24] #4519891
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It's a Honda, it will run forever on any 10/40. From $2.44 a Qt Walmart SuperTech 10W40 to the most expensive motorcycle specific 10/40 oil, it's your bike and your money. Me, I run M1 10/40 and with the rebate($12) I get a 5 Qt jug for $10.88 after the rebate. Have over 100k miles on my '98 1100

ROD


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