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Toulene and ATF mix ratio #4515907
09/14/17 08:53 AM
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Floydian Offline OP
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Hi,

I currently own a Mini Cooper S (2011) and I am experiencing knock (confirmed by logging). Both fuel quality and octane are horrible here. There is only one type of gasoline available from the pump. Which is supposedly 84 Mon/ 95 Ron (89,5 AKI?)

I had been using Toluene with good results. BUT I have been told to add ATF (MMO not available here) not to damage my engine.

1) Is it necessary to add lubricant if not using more than %10 of toluene? For example: 45 liters of petrol + 5 liters of toulene.

2) If it is necessary or good practice will any kind of ATF do? Or should I get a specific type?

3) Will using this formula damage my catalytic converter or O2 sensors?

4) What is the optimal ratio of ATF to Toluene?

5) How much will ATF degrade the octane level I am trying to enhance in the first place?

Many Thanks

Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian] #4515963
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Your gasoline probably already contains some toluene, but I'm not sure if there's a big worry about adding more. I would guess the issue would be with diluting whatever additives the gas already has in it?
Can you get Lucas Fuel Treatment in your location? It has a poor reputation as a fuel injector cleaner here, but I believe it has some reasonable lubricating properties and is also not too expensive here in larger quantities (gallons are available at some US Walmarts).


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Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian] #4515966
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You have to have something wacky going on. Needing to add toluene just to keep the car running cannot be normal.


too many cars and oil combinations to list in 150 characters or less
Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian] #4515995
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Is 2 stroke mix oil available?


'16 Camry LE STP synth 0w20 and STP filter. the Fridge

1994 Ranger ,the Rat, 5w30 dino, STP filter

'16 Camry SE, Valvoline HM 0w20 and OEM filter
Thick oil is better grin2
Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4516028
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Your gasoline probably already contains some toluene, but I'm not sure if there's a big worry about adding more. I would guess the issue would be with diluting whatever additives the gas already has in it?
Can you get Lucas Fuel Treatment in your location? It has a poor reputation as a fuel injector cleaner here, but I believe it has some reasonable lubricating properties and is also not too expensive here in larger quantities (gallons are available at some US Walmarts).


I don't have access to Lucas Fuel Treatment at my location.

Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: L_Sludger] #4516031
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Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
You have to have something wacky going on. Needing to add toluene just to keep the car running cannot be normal.


The car does run without a CEL and decent mileage but with reduced performance and pinging between 1250-2100 rpm at high load situations (for example climbing a hill, car is auto btw and likes to upshift as soon as possible)

Last edited by Floydian; 09/14/17 11:10 AM.
Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: andyd] #4516032
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Originally Posted By: andyd
Is 2 stroke mix oil available?


Yes it is.

Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian] #4516062
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oil will reduce the octane rating.


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Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: SHOZ] #4516142
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
oil will reduce the octane rating.
The toluene should counter that grin2


'16 Camry LE STP synth 0w20 and STP filter. the Fridge

1994 Ranger ,the Rat, 5w30 dino, STP filter

'16 Camry SE, Valvoline HM 0w20 and OEM filter
Thick oil is better grin2
Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian] #4516247
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Is your ignition timing setted correctly?

Do you have a timing chain or a belt? If...is your belt setted correctly?


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Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: SHOZ] #4516304
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
oil will reduce the octane rating.


Yes, but how much?

Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Kamele0N] #4516306
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Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Is your ignition timing setted correctly?

Do you have a timing chain or a belt? If...is your belt setted correctly?


Yes and Yes

Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian] #4516314
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Originally Posted By: Floydian
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
oil will reduce the octane rating.


Yes, but how much?
Don't know but I would just use the toluene. I use to use Lacquer Thinner. It was 50/50 Toluene and Xylene.


2008 Hyundai Accent 1.6L 5 sp manual hatchback
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track 2L Turbo 6sp manual
Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: SHOZ] #4516322
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Originally Posted By: Floydian
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
oil will reduce the octane rating.


Yes, but how much?
Don't know but I would just use the toluene. I use to use Lacquer Thinner. It was 50/50 Toluene and Xylene.


But wouldn't using toluene by itself increase valve and upper bore wear?

Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian] #4516327
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Toluene is up to 40% of the gasoline make up as is. Valve ware is almost no existent anymore as far as i know due to the hardened seats used because of the unleaded fuel.


2008 Hyundai Accent 1.6L 5 sp manual hatchback
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track 2L Turbo 6sp manual
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