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#4515907 - 09/14/17 08:53 AM Toulene and ATF mix ratio
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
Posts: 46
Loc: Outside U.S
Hi,

I currently own a Mini Cooper S (2011) and I am experiencing knock (confirmed by logging). Both fuel quality and octane are horrible here. There is only one type of gasoline available from the pump. Which is supposedly 84 Mon/ 95 Ron (89,5 AKI?)

I had been using Toluene with good results. BUT I have been told to add ATF (MMO not available here) not to damage my engine.

1) Is it necessary to add lubricant if not using more than %10 of toluene? For example: 45 liters of petrol + 5 liters of toulene.

2) If it is necessary or good practice will any kind of ATF do? Or should I get a specific type?

3) Will using this formula damage my catalytic converter or O2 sensors?

4) What is the optimal ratio of ATF to Toluene?

5) How much will ATF degrade the octane level I am trying to enhance in the first place?

Many Thanks

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#4515963 - 09/14/17 10:01 AM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian]
Virtus_Probi Offline


Registered: 06/25/15
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Your gasoline probably already contains some toluene, but I'm not sure if there's a big worry about adding more. I would guess the issue would be with diluting whatever additives the gas already has in it?
Can you get Lucas Fuel Treatment in your location? It has a poor reputation as a fuel injector cleaner here, but I believe it has some reasonable lubricating properties and is also not too expensive here in larger quantities (gallons are available at some US Walmarts).
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#4515966 - 09/14/17 10:02 AM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian]
L_Sludger Offline


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You have to have something wacky going on. Needing to add toluene just to keep the car running cannot be normal.
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#4515995 - 09/14/17 10:29 AM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian]
andyd Offline


Registered: 09/25/04
Posts: 7256
Loc: Marshfield , MA
Is 2 stroke mix oil available?
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#4516028 - 09/14/17 10:57 AM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Virtus_Probi]
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
Posts: 46
Loc: Outside U.S
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Your gasoline probably already contains some toluene, but I'm not sure if there's a big worry about adding more. I would guess the issue would be with diluting whatever additives the gas already has in it?
Can you get Lucas Fuel Treatment in your location? It has a poor reputation as a fuel injector cleaner here, but I believe it has some reasonable lubricating properties and is also not too expensive here in larger quantities (gallons are available at some US Walmarts).


I don't have access to Lucas Fuel Treatment at my location.

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#4516031 - 09/14/17 11:00 AM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: L_Sludger]
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
Posts: 46
Loc: Outside U.S
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
You have to have something wacky going on. Needing to add toluene just to keep the car running cannot be normal.


The car does run without a CEL and decent mileage but with reduced performance and pinging between 1250-2100 rpm at high load situations (for example climbing a hill, car is auto btw and likes to upshift as soon as possible)


Edited by Floydian (09/14/17 11:10 AM)

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#4516032 - 09/14/17 11:01 AM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: andyd]
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
Posts: 46
Loc: Outside U.S
Originally Posted By: andyd
Is 2 stroke mix oil available?


Yes it is.

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#4516062 - 09/14/17 11:33 AM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian]
SHOZ Offline


Registered: 06/28/03
Posts: 5801
Loc: Illinois
oil will reduce the octane rating.
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#4516142 - 09/14/17 01:14 PM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: SHOZ]
andyd Offline


Registered: 09/25/04
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Loc: Marshfield , MA
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
oil will reduce the octane rating.
The toluene should counter that grin2
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#4516247 - 09/14/17 03:53 PM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian]
Kamele0N Offline


Registered: 02/09/15
Posts: 2084
Loc: Slovenia EU
Is your ignition timing setted correctly?

Do you have a timing chain or a belt? If...is your belt setted correctly?
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#4516304 - 09/14/17 04:49 PM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: SHOZ]
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
Posts: 46
Loc: Outside U.S
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
oil will reduce the octane rating.


Yes, but how much?

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#4516306 - 09/14/17 04:51 PM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Kamele0N]
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
Posts: 46
Loc: Outside U.S
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Is your ignition timing setted correctly?

Do you have a timing chain or a belt? If...is your belt setted correctly?


Yes and Yes

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#4516314 - 09/14/17 05:00 PM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian]
SHOZ Offline


Registered: 06/28/03
Posts: 5801
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: Floydian
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
oil will reduce the octane rating.


Yes, but how much?
Don't know but I would just use the toluene. I use to use Lacquer Thinner. It was 50/50 Toluene and Xylene.
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#4516322 - 09/14/17 05:14 PM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: SHOZ]
Floydian Offline


Registered: 09/13/17
Posts: 46
Loc: Outside U.S
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Originally Posted By: Floydian
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
oil will reduce the octane rating.


Yes, but how much?
Don't know but I would just use the toluene. I use to use Lacquer Thinner. It was 50/50 Toluene and Xylene.


But wouldn't using toluene by itself increase valve and upper bore wear?

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#4516327 - 09/14/17 05:20 PM Re: Toulene and ATF mix ratio [Re: Floydian]
SHOZ Offline


Registered: 06/28/03
Posts: 5801
Loc: Illinois
Toluene is up to 40% of the gasoline make up as is. Valve ware is almost no existent anymore as far as i know due to the hardened seats used because of the unleaded fuel.
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