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Is Salt Really Necessary ? #4515724
09/14/17 12:27 AM
09/14/17 12:27 AM
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Clovis, CA
Merkava_4 Offline OP
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You guys that live in the rust belt, I don't know what keeps you people from being flaming mad. I see a lot of cars on YouTube while watching mechanic videos and what's underneath those cars is disturbing. Layers upon layers of thick rust. When I lived on the USS Tripoli, there was a lot of rust and the tax payers paid me to run a pneumatic needle gun all day, but it was an iron boat on a saltwater ocean! I'd flip out if my car looked like that. You people really should get together and complain to your state big-wigs. Why don't they put salt on the runways ? What's keeping the airports from icing up and letting the planes slide off the runway ?

Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Merkava_4] #4515728
09/14/17 12:33 AM
09/14/17 12:33 AM
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Phoenix, AZ
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I wouldn't be able to handle it either. My Jeep wouldn't see sunlight for all winter if I lived in the salt belt.

Luckily I'd be prepared though, and the Camry would be a perfect winter-beater.


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Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Merkava_4] #4515735
09/14/17 01:28 AM
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WA
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WA
I wouldn't even want to own a winter car in the salt belt. Just lease one


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Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Merkava_4] #4515742
09/14/17 01:46 AM
09/14/17 01:46 AM
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It's called a car wash and undercarriage wash. You take it there a couple times after a snow storm. No salt means ice on the road. That's worse. Hit black ice once coming up to a stop sign. Car didn't stop, ABS was on all the way, went through the stop sign and turned right. Good thing no one was coming the other way and that the car had ABS, would have gone straight if the tires were locked and probably hit a parked car.

Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Merkava_4] #4515751
09/14/17 04:01 AM
09/14/17 04:01 AM
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ROCHESTER, NY
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I agree however and unfortunately for most of us, we are used to it. This is all we know and it only bothers real car guys/gals...like me!

This doesn't mean that I am going to move to other parts of the country that do not use road salt. Every part of the country/world has/have had their issues.

We pray for those in Houston and Florida. And in the past, Louisiana and other states(and the world) where natural disasters have occurred. And in California where there are wildfires, mud slides and earthquakes. IDK if I could get used to that however, my car did not float away and possibly not covered by insurance as many are not covered by natural disasters. And I am not making fun of these issues. It is sad to say the least.

I hate road salt and what it does to my vehicles, driveway(asphalt or concrete), the salt that we bring into our homes by foot and the brutal cold. The cold hurts my bones and I have grown to an age where I hate driving in it. It cost us more for vehicles(purchase more often), extra tires, exhaust systems, brakes(especially rotors) and other premature repairs that are not experienced in other parts of the country.

Yes, I wish it were different!

Last edited by Char Baby; 09/14/17 04:06 AM.

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Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Merkava_4] #4515765
09/14/17 05:24 AM
09/14/17 05:24 AM
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Soviet State of Washington
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Soviet State of Washington
In typical Seattle reasoning, the city stopped the use of salt on roads including the steep hills everywhere in the city. The reason? They were worried about the salt getting washed into the Puget Sound. sick

Of course, vehicular accidents skyrocketed in the winter months.


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Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Wolf359] #4515769
09/14/17 05:34 AM
09/14/17 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted By: Wolf359
It's called a car wash and undercarriage wash. You take it there a couple times after a snow storm. No salt means ice on the road. That's worse. Hit black ice once coming up to a stop sign. Car didn't stop, ABS was on all the way, went through the stop sign and turned right. Good thing no one was coming the other way and that the car had ABS, would have gone straight if the tires were locked and probably hit a parked car.


Wolf, you must live in an area that gets above freezing because washing a car in most of the upper Midwest is going to only result in layers of ice on the car and undercarriage. Thick ice.

I will choose black ice every time over corrosive PDPs such as Sodium Chloride, or the even worse Magnesium Chloride and Calcium Chloride if I can have studded tires. grin

Plus I drive nice and slow.

I drive in regions of the northern US where no attempt is made to clear the hard packed snow (which become layers of ice) from the road until it has melted in the spring but the practice in much of the rust belt is to get down to bare pavement so commerce can carry on at a faster pace. Salt is necessary to accomplish this but at a high cost to vehicles and the environment as run-off.

It's interesting to see how various regions of the US mitigate the dangers of snowy roadways. States wit much sunshine such as CO vs states with gray skies like the Great Lakes vs states with no sun like AK.

As for runways and aircraft:

https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Aircraft_Ground_De/Anti_Icing



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Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Char Baby] #4515773
09/14/17 05:38 AM
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USA
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Originally Posted By: Char Baby
I agree however and unfortunately for most of us, we are used to it. This is all we know and it only bothers real car guys/gals...like me!

This doesn't mean that I am going to move to other parts of the country that do not use road salt. Every part of the country/world has/have had their issues.

We pray for those in Houston and Florida. And in the past, Louisiana and other states(and the world) where natural disasters have occurred. And in California where there are wildfires, mud slides and earthquakes. IDK if I could get used to that however, my car did not float away and possibly not covered by insurance as many are not covered by natural disasters. And I am not making fun of these issues. It is sad to say the least.

I hate road salt and what it does to my vehicles, driveway(asphalt or concrete), the salt that we bring into our homes by foot and the brutal cold. The cold hurts my bones and I have grown to an age where I hate driving in it. It cost us more for vehicles(purchase more often), extra tires, exhaust systems, brakes(especially rotors) and other premature repairs that are not experienced in other parts of the country.

Yes, I wish it were different!


You nailed it on all counts.


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Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Merkava_4] #4515774
09/14/17 05:38 AM
09/14/17 05:38 AM
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Is salt really needed.
Yes .


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Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: ArcticDriver] #4515791
09/14/17 06:12 AM
09/14/17 06:12 AM
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ROCHESTER, NY
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Thank you! I may have missed some points but, this is also where most of my family/friends live(here in the salt belt) and this is most likely where I will stay regardless of our higher taxes & gas prices compared to many other parts of the country.


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Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Merkava_4] #4515793
09/14/17 06:15 AM
09/14/17 06:15 AM
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Midwest USA
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it's not just that it's salt but the way they use it. Around here, it's not unusual to encounter so much excess rock salt in an intersection that it's like driving over a small gravel spill.

But they also spray liquid product based on beet juice and some stuff that is not bad.



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Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Merkava_4] #4515801
09/14/17 06:25 AM
09/14/17 06:25 AM
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Ohio
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Ohio
I have personally witnessed a couple of cars I brought from California begin to rust in front of my very eyes very quickly around here.
The reason nobody has 90s or 80s cars around here anymore is because they all rusted out!


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Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Merkava_4] #4515809
09/14/17 06:35 AM
09/14/17 06:35 AM
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The Motor City
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I wonder if all the damage salt brings to cars and our infrastructure is worth the extra commerce it allows? It may be cheaper to just shut down the city for the days the roads are iced up. Good luck getting our local employers to participate in this program with their "must get to work at any cost" attitude, regardless of how much sense this makes.

I deal with it by having a winter beater (2001 Sable). My summer car (1995 Mercedes cabriolet) looks like it came from California. I can't afford to drag such an expensive car through the salt and deal with the problems.

Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Merkava_4] #4515818
09/14/17 06:46 AM
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My wife and I own two of the best cars for the rust belt. Google rust resistant cars


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Re: Is Salt Really Necessary ? [Re: Merkava_4] #4515820
09/14/17 06:47 AM
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New England
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When I first moved to New England, the company I worked for was on a road for which salt was banned due to a nearby aquifer. By February, most cars drove about 10mph on that road and it was dicey even at that speed.

Yes, salt or SOMETHING to clear the ice is needed in the snow belt. The environmental impact is of more concern to me than my car rusting, if my cars start to show rust it is usually when I am getting sick of them, anyway...of course, there is yet more of a hit to the environment from replacing a car before it is truly dead.
I have lived out of the snow zone a few times and much prefer being in it, I like having a real winter and it is so much fun to be able to ski a short drive from my house.


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