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#4514788 - 09/13/17 05:13 AM 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50
montero1 Offline


Registered: 01/26/06
Posts: 973
Loc: Md, USA
Miles on oil 7,600
Miles on unit 8,600
Sample Date 9/5/17
Makeup oil 0
Oil and Filter both Amsoil - 20w-50 MC V-twin oil.



Silicon improved in this sample, as we expected it to. Copper increased just a little (68 vs. 66), and that wasn't quite the expected trend, though we're content to hold off calling it a problem for now. Most of this Copper is lingering wear-in, and it should wash out before too long. Other metals already look good, so this Harley is off to a fine start for the most part. The viscosity was a little thick, but we tend to see that quite a bit with Harleys, and we don't see it as a problem. The TBN was nice and strong at 4.9. Try 8,500 miles and we'll see how the Copper looks.




Aluminum 5
Chromium 1
Iron 17
Copper 68
Lead 2
Tin 1
Molybdenum 66
Nickel 0
Manganese 3
Silver 0
Titanium 0
Potassium 2
Boron 43
Silicon 17
Sodium 9
Calcium 2876
Magnesium 152
Phosphorous 991
Zinc 1246
Barium 1


SUS Viscosity at 210F 109.9
cst Viscosity at 100F 22.6
Flashpoint 405F
TBN 4.9
Water 0.0
Insolubles 0.2


First oil change was @ 1000 miles. I rode this to Sturgis, about 4,600 miles to end the OCI. I'm going to stick to no more than 5k from here on out. I only got 2 quarts out, and I suppose it will hold another 1/2 quart between the filter and crevices, but it only holds 3.5, so it must have consumed at least a quart in those 7600 miles (not horrible), but the dipstick never said to add a quart, and I checked it every day I was out to Sturgis. The Manual says not to add until you get to "add 1 quart". It seemed SO thick when I drained it, which was on an 85 degree day, and I had ridden it 2 hours, but let it sit for 2 hours. Shifted fine (for what that's worth in a Harley) the whole OCI, and no signs of it getting any hotter than normal.

While in Sturgis, I had a V&H Header and Pipe installed, and it has an FP3 tuner, on since about 3k.

In: Maxima Synthetic 20w50 V-Twin Full Synthetic, Baldwin B1413 Filter.
_________________________
'07 Z4 3.0 SI
'08 GL1800
'10 Jeep Rubicon
'10 Corvette
'13 V-Star 1300 Deluxe (Hers)
'13 VFR1200F
'16 Harley Electra Glide Limited
'18 GMC Canyon Denali (Hers)

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#4514815 - 09/13/17 06:17 AM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: montero1]
DdDd Offline


Registered: 06/08/17
Posts: 189
Loc: NY
Lol 8500 miles. What do they think this is a Toyota?

I change once a year or however many miles the manual says. Whichever comes first. With more than one bike it's once a year.

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#4514979 - 09/13/17 10:11 AM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: montero1]
Reddy45 Offline


Registered: 08/15/08
Posts: 2962
Loc: USA
That's a LOT of highway riding to put on what is essentially a brand new bike isn't it? If there was oil loss then I would chalk it up to the engine not being fully broken in yet.

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#4515788 - 09/14/17 06:06 AM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: montero1]
montero1 Offline


Registered: 01/26/06
Posts: 973
Loc: Md, USA
Well, the break-in period was over when I took it on the trip....it had 4k on it.
_________________________
'07 Z4 3.0 SI
'08 GL1800
'10 Jeep Rubicon
'10 Corvette
'13 V-Star 1300 Deluxe (Hers)
'13 VFR1200F
'16 Harley Electra Glide Limited
'18 GMC Canyon Denali (Hers)

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#4517143 - 09/15/17 02:44 PM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: montero1]
GRIMland Offline


Registered: 08/09/17
Posts: 16
Loc: MINNESOTA
Doesn't the oil cooler hold ~1/2 quart? That might explain some of the missing oil, along with the filter which you mentioned. The rest probably didn't drain out, which is common in these engines. I doubt you used much if any oil. Same oil in primary and trans?

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#4517229 - 09/15/17 04:44 PM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: montero1]
gman2304 Offline


Registered: 08/11/11
Posts: 3047
Loc: n.c.
My manual says to check the oil hot, after bike has sat 5 minutes for an accurate reading. Only getting 2 qts out of a 3.5 qt sump doesn't sound right to me. Could letting it cool down for 2hours before draining have an effect on not getting more oil out of the pan? I drain mine after sitting for about 10 minutes when changing the oil. There is some oil left in a Harley after draining, but 1.5 qts seems like quite a lot. Why did you decide to go to the Maxima for this run over the Amsoil?

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#4517393 - 09/15/17 08:49 PM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: gman2304]
montero1 Offline


Registered: 01/26/06
Posts: 973
Loc: Md, USA
Originally Posted By: gman2304
My manual says to check the oil hot, after bike has sat 5 minutes for an accurate reading. Only getting 2 qts out of a 3.5 qt sump doesn't sound right to me. Could letting it cool down for 2hours before draining have an effect on not getting more oil out of the pan? I drain mine after sitting for about 10 minutes when changing the oil. There is some oil left in a Harley after draining, but 1.5 qts seems like quite a lot. Why did you decide to go to the Maxima for this run over the Amsoil?


Just found a good deal on the Maxima. I don't plan on riding the Harley a whole bunch, not long distance anyway. No more trips to Sturgis for me, and any other long trips will be on the Goldwing. Just no need to try and do long OCIs on the Harley.
_________________________
'07 Z4 3.0 SI
'08 GL1800
'10 Jeep Rubicon
'10 Corvette
'13 V-Star 1300 Deluxe (Hers)
'13 VFR1200F
'16 Harley Electra Glide Limited
'18 GMC Canyon Denali (Hers)

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#4517394 - 09/15/17 08:50 PM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: GRIMland]
montero1 Offline


Registered: 01/26/06
Posts: 973
Loc: Md, USA
Originally Posted By: GRIMland
Doesn't the oil cooler hold ~1/2 quart? That might explain some of the missing oil, along with the filter which you mentioned. The rest probably didn't drain out, which is common in these engines. I doubt you used much if any oil. Same oil in primary and trans?


I used tranny and Primary specified oils, though I know you can run engine oil in all 3.
_________________________
'07 Z4 3.0 SI
'08 GL1800
'10 Jeep Rubicon
'10 Corvette
'13 V-Star 1300 Deluxe (Hers)
'13 VFR1200F
'16 Harley Electra Glide Limited
'18 GMC Canyon Denali (Hers)

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#4518319 - 09/17/17 05:32 AM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: montero1]
nocarb Offline


Registered: 05/23/17
Posts: 21
Loc: Illinois
The wear metals should start dropping.

Nice upgrades, really cools things off and gives it a little more pep.

Will you be doing a UOA on Maxima?

I agree with gman on only getting 2 quarts on drain. Did you drain from plug with o-ring and magnet?

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#4518919 - 09/17/17 08:06 PM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: nocarb]
montero1 Offline


Registered: 01/26/06
Posts: 973
Loc: Md, USA
Originally Posted By: nocarb
The wear metals should start dropping.

Nice upgrades, really cools things off and gives it a little more pep.

Will you be doing a UOA on Maxima?

I agree with gman on only getting 2 quarts on drain. Did you drain from plug with o-ring and magnet?


I used the right drain, trust me. Way different bike with the mods, should have come like this.
_________________________
'07 Z4 3.0 SI
'08 GL1800
'10 Jeep Rubicon
'10 Corvette
'13 V-Star 1300 Deluxe (Hers)
'13 VFR1200F
'16 Harley Electra Glide Limited
'18 GMC Canyon Denali (Hers)

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#4518930 - 09/17/17 08:12 PM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: nocarb]
montero1 Offline


Registered: 01/26/06
Posts: 973
Loc: Md, USA
Originally Posted By: nocarb
The wear metals should start dropping.

Nice upgrades, really cools things off and gives it a little more pep.

Will you be doing a UOA on Maxima?



I agree with gman on only getting 2 quarts on drain. Did you drain from plug with o-ring and magnet?


Yes, I will likely UOA the Maxima. The only time I usually don't do an analysis, is if I know the miles are very very low for the oci, or if I had an oil burner that I was constantly adding oil to.
_________________________
'07 Z4 3.0 SI
'08 GL1800
'10 Jeep Rubicon
'10 Corvette
'13 V-Star 1300 Deluxe (Hers)
'13 VFR1200F
'16 Harley Electra Glide Limited
'18 GMC Canyon Denali (Hers)

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#4518990 - 09/17/17 09:20 PM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: montero1]
nocarb Offline


Registered: 05/23/17
Posts: 21
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: montero1


I used the right drain, trust me. Way different bike with the mods, should have come like this.


I agree would save us all a bunch of money.

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#4518994 - 09/17/17 09:22 PM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: montero1]
nocarb Offline


Registered: 05/23/17
Posts: 21
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: montero1


Yes, I will likely UOA the Maxima. The only time I usually don't do an analysis, is if I know the miles are very very low for the oci, or if I had an oil burner that I was constantly adding oil to.


Great, I have mostly used Amsoil interested in different oil UOA.

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#4549493 - 10/20/17 06:40 PM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: montero1]
benjy Offline


Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 865
Loc: pa
if that were an M-8 i would say check the primary as some of those engines are "transferring" oil into it + HD has yet no solution, but they did change oil pump #'s so assuming they have updated pumps they are using on their warranty issues!!

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#4612763 - 12/24/17 07:52 AM Re: 2016 FLHTK, 7,600 Miles, Amsoil 20w-50 [Re: montero1]
RedVic Offline


Registered: 06/10/14
Posts: 68
Loc: Florida
Originally Posted By: montero1
Miles on oil 7,600
Miles on unit 8,600
Sample Date 9/5/17
Makeup oil 0
Oil and Filter both Amsoil - 20w-50 MC V-twin oil.



Silicon improved in this sample, as we expected it to. Copper increased just a little (68 vs. 66), and that wasn't quite the expected trend, though we're content to hold off calling it a problem for now. Most of this Copper is lingering wear-in, and it should wash out before too long. Other metals already look good, so this Harley is off to a fine start for the most part. The viscosity was a little thick, but we tend to see that quite a bit with Harleys, and we don't see it as a problem. The TBN was nice and strong at 4.9. Try 8,500 miles and we'll see how the Copper looks.




Aluminum 5
Chromium 1
Iron 17
Copper 68
Lead 2
Tin 1
Molybdenum 66
Nickel 0
Manganese 3
Silver 0
Titanium 0
Potassium 2
Boron 43
Silicon 17
Sodium 9
Calcium 2876
Magnesium 152
Phosphorous 991
Zinc 1246
Barium 1


SUS Viscosity at 210F 109.9
cst Viscosity at 100F 22.6
Flashpoint 405F
TBN 4.9
Water 0.0
Insolubles 0.2


First oil change was @ 1000 miles. I rode this to Sturgis, about 4,600 miles to end the OCI. I'm going to stick to no more than 5k from here on out. I only got 2 quarts out, and I suppose it will hold another 1/2 quart between the filter and crevices, but it only holds 3.5, so it must have consumed at least a quart in those 7600 miles (not horrible), but the dipstick never said to add a quart, and I checked it every day I was out to Sturgis. The Manual says not to add until you get to "add 1 quart". It seemed SO thick when I drained it, which was on an 85 degree day, and I had ridden it 2 hours, but let it sit for 2 hours. Shifted fine (for what that's worth in a Harley) the whole OCI, and no signs of it getting any hotter than normal.

While in Sturgis, I had a V&H Header and Pipe installed, and it has an FP3 tuner, on since about 3k.

In: Maxima Synthetic 20w50 V-Twin Full Synthetic, Baldwin B1413 Filter.


This is my 2016 Harley Ultra Limited:

Engine has a Vance & Hines FP3 tuner, Vance & Hines Powerdual header, Rinehart mufflers and a Arlen Ness Big Sucker stage one intake.

Oil Type & Grade: Redline 20w-50 motorcycle oil

Comments: Wear metals look great for this first sample from your limited. Averages for this engine type are based on about 4,200 miles on the oil. You ran longer and got less metal in the oil-- that's great! Your engine is wearing with the best of them! The viscosity was a little think, but that hasn't hurt anything that we can see. We're not sure what causes it, but it's fairly common to see high viscosity in Harley engines. As far as we can tell, it's harmless. The TBN was quite strong at 5.0 (1.0 is low) so you should be fine with a longer interval. Try 6,500 miles. Nice!

Miles on oil: 5,222

Miles on unit: 25,001

Sample Date: 11/25/2017

Make up oil added: 0

Aluminum: 2

Chromium: 0

Iron: 8

Copper: 10

Lead: 0

Tin: 1

Molybdenum: 560

Nickel: 0

Manganese: 1

Silver: 1

Titanium: 0

Potassium: 1

Boron: 17

Silicon: 18

Sodium: 10

Calcium: 2695

Magnesium: 14

Phosphorus: 1901

Zinc: 2117

Barium: 1

SUS Viscosity @ 210 F: 109.0 Values: 75 - 99

cSt Viscosity @ 100 C: 22.45 Values: 14.3 - 20.4

Flashpoint in F: 415

Fuel %: <0.5

Antifreese %: 0

Water %: 0

Insolubles %: 0.2

TBN 5.0

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