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Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? #4514616
09/12/17 09:02 PM
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Krieg Offline OP
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Hello fellow BITOG,

Have a 1994 Montero 3.5 DOHC, 126,000 miles. It drips a bit from the rear main seal, I'm the original owner. Montero is garage kept. Trying to decide between Valvoline HM Full synthetic vs Pennzoil full synthetic HM. She is on the severe maintenance program. Live in the desert southwest and 4x4 in mountains and sand. Half city/half highway and maybe 5% in true 4x4 mode. Using PUP 5W30 right now with Fram Ultra. Have a snorkel for air filter and use OEM filters.

Unable to find VOA on Pennzoil HM. I recall Rat 540 testing the Valvoline, which was in the top five I believe. Penn HM wasn't tested. I've only had one UOA which had FE at 33 at 5,700 miles. BlkStn recommended 5,000 miles. Doing another UOA in near future.

Going to take this Montero to the grave, not literally. <lol> Appreciate your thoughts and suggestions!

Respectfully,

Pajero


N�l an luach an maith ar a dtugtar go dt� go dt�ann s� tirim
Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Krieg] #4514618
09/12/17 09:04 PM
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I would use that Valvoline 10W-30 Synthetic HM. That has some stout specs.

Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Krieg] #4514647
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I would lean towards the Valvoline as well. They are the de facto leaders in the HM oil sector. That Valvoline FS with MLT is perhaps their best oil.

That was a great year for the Montero. Very comfortable and a good highway cruiser not to mention the 4WD system. If taken care of, that vehicle will run a very long time.


2017 Mazda CX-5 GT.

Valvoline Modern Engine 0w20
Mobil 1 EP 108A
Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Krieg] #4514651
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I've had better luck with Valvoline HM syn than the Pennzoil HM syn as far as helping minor seeping, but either will serve you very well and both may, or may not, help with the drip. You just have to run them and find out for that. Given my experience with it, if it were my vehicle, I'd start with the Valvoline first.

Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Krieg] #4514660
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10w30 Valvoline Full Synthetic with Maxlife Technology.


1998 Honda Accord EX 2.3L Auto
2009 Scion TC Manual
Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Charlie2015] #4514674
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I've experience less oil usage and quieter engines using the Valvoline Full Syn w ML vs the PPHM on older, high mileage vehicles. (Both in 5w-30)

Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Krieg] #4514694
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Valvoline for sure.


2010 Ford Escape FWD 2.5 ~90K Miles
Currently: Royal Purple 5W-30, Wix 51348
I prefer Royal Purple, Valvoline, Castrol, and O'Reilly oils.
Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Krieg] #4514707
09/12/17 11:14 PM
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Pennzoil is a superior oil. Look up and compare the specs of both. Better add pack,higher tbn,etc.


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W20

Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4514708
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Pennzoil is a superior oil. Look up and compare the specs of both. Better add pack,higher tbn,etc.


I haven't been able to find a VOA on either. Checked PQIA (even emailed them, no response). Both are new arrivals to the market within last two years. If you can show me the specs, that would be fantastic.

Respectfully,


N�l an luach an maith ar a dtugtar go dt� go dt�ann s� tirim
Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Krieg] #4514710
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10w30 M1 HM. I get less oil usage with that and drips. I have run Valvoline HM FS and the PP. I went back the the M1 HM 10w30. It is more robust than either of the other two. Cheap, also, on rebate now.

Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Krieg] #4514714
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I'd throw in a bottle of ATP-205 Re-seal with whatever oil.


2001 Lexus ES300, 235k mi, German Castrol 0w-40, Fram TG8316
1985 BMW R80RT (1L)- M1 15w-50
1993 Volvo 945 Turbo- Rotella T5 10W-30 (CJ-4)
Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Krieg] #4514717
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I would stick to the regular Maxlife blend. I also agree about adding atp 205. It helped a bit with my Nissan in sig


2012 Chevy Cruze LT 1.4T - 50k
2002 Buick Century 130k - Built 4T65e(Maxlife) - Edge 0w40 + Fram XG3980
Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Krieg] #4514737
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As a Engine shop here, Valvoline in my opinion.

Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Krieg] #4514791
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Originally Posted By: Krieg
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Pennzoil is a superior oil. Look up and compare the specs of both. Better add pack,higher tbn,etc.


I haven't been able to find a VOA on either. Checked PQIA (even emailed them, no response). Both are new arrivals to the market within last two years. If you can show me the specs, that would be fantastic.

Respectfully,



It's on the PQIA site.

Re: Help me decide Synthetic HM Penn vs Valvoline? [Re: Krieg] #4514793
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I'm going to have to jump in with the mobile one 10W-30 high mileage recommendation. Honestly all three would serve you well but the mobile will give you a nice bump up to a 3.5 HTHS number in that desert heat

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