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#4514225 - 09/12/17 12:37 PM Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 1079
Loc: upstate NY
As near as I can tell, there's not much interest in 10W30 HDEO here at BITOG, and certainly not in the low phosphorus offerings of some of the CK-4 oils. Still, here is a sample of 10W30 that happens to be dual rated (CK-4/SN) and therefore the phosphorus is limited at a maximum of 800 PPM. I am contracted to a carrier that offers me extraordinary value in their oil change services and their shop is full of all things Delo and Donaldson (filters).

With CJ-4 oils (meeting Detroit's 93K218 spec), the oil change interval was 50k miles or 1280 hours for an OTR truck like mine. Now with CK-4 (Detroit 93K222), I can go 55k miles (no hour limit listed). With limited idle time, I could go 65k miles.

I'm an OTR guy going all over the U.S. but I pretty much haul for a small group of customers that require me to haul heavy. No overweight permits, but have a lightweight truck and trailer to haul near 50k lbs and still be under the 80k lb gross weight limit. This oci saw about 2300 miles empty, with the rest of the miles being driven at or near 80k lbs.


2016 Freightliner Cascadia
Detroit Diesel DD13
450 HP @ 1450-1625 rpm and 1650 lb/ft torque @ 975-1500 rpm
31 psi max boost at 1500-1600 rpm, down to 22 psi at 975 rpm
Turbo is not variable geometry and not water cooled (imagine that).

Delo 400 XLE 10W30
Donaldson oil, fuel and air filters

This oci:

55007 miles
1851 hours (948 hrs driving / 903 hrs idling)
Engine 182465 miles
7295 gallons of fuel burned 7.5403 mpg for the oci

No oil added. At time of drain, oil was nearly touching the full line so perhaps down a pint, basically still full. The shop says they put in 10 gallons (40 qts) and I found Detroit literature saying that approximately 6 quarts are left behind when the oil is drained.

Idling (when parked) is bumped up to 900 rpm. The truck has Detroit's Optimized Idle which starts/stops the engine to maintain cabin temp/battery charge/oil temp as needed.

Code:
Engine miles         182465           127458             67400             29617
Oil miles             55007            40186             37783             29617
Oil hours              1851             1074              1195               755
All 10W30 oils       Delo XLE          Delo XLE        Delvac Elite     Factory fill
API                  CK-4/SN           CK-4/SN            CJ-4             CJ-4

Iron                   38                33                46               31
Chromium                3                 3                10                3
Lead                    0                 0                12                0
Copper                 24                39               150              331
Tin                     0                 0                 6                6
Aluminum               19                28                61               38
Nickel                  0                 0                 0                1
Silver                  0                 0                 0                0
Titanium                0                 0                 0                0
Vanadium                0                 0                 0                0

Silicon                 5                 6                 6                5
Sodium                  9                10                 5                9
Potassium              26                34               131               96
Water                <0.05%            <0.05%            <0.05%           <0.05%
Coolant                NO                NO                NO               NO

Magnesium             715               683               895              470
Calcium              1376              1586              1576             1534
Barium                  0                 0                 0                2
Phosphorus            731               868              1054              915
Zinc                  873              1043              1417             1140
Moly                    7                17                59               57
Boron                  17                37                16               83

Visc (cSt) @ 100C     12.5              11.5              12.4             11.4
Fuel                  <1%               <1%               <1%              <1%
Soot                  0.5%             <0.1%              0.9%             0.3%

TBN                   2.9               3.3               N/A              3.6

The 20k miles missing between the second and third reports are because of a 
short oci late 2016. I had the overhead adjusted and changed the oil at the same
time but didn't sample it.

Lab is ALS and I changed the <1 to plain ol' zeroes (for the elements).

                    
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#4514236 - 09/12/17 12:53 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: dustyroads]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 1079
Loc: upstate NY
Always forget something. This engine uses a single full flow oil filter...no bypass. Also, in case anyone wonders, the emissions equipment is fully intact.
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#4514257 - 09/12/17 01:24 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: dustyroads]
AirgunSavant Offline


Registered: 07/22/15
Posts: 3772
Loc: MD
Very interesting- thanks!
I took a shine to Delo 15w30 HDEO for my OPE and tractors

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#4514310 - 09/12/17 02:45 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: dustyroads]
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All seems to be in the smile zone. grin grin grin
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#4514352 - 09/12/17 03:59 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: dustyroads]
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Registered: 01/30/07
Posts: 17501
Loc: Clovis, CA
Cool looking truck.


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#4514390 - 09/12/17 05:12 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: dustyroads]
FermeLaPorte Offline


Registered: 07/25/17
Posts: 536
Loc: Texas (south)
I use this oil on my brother's 1995 Chevy 2500
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#4514426 - 09/12/17 05:55 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: dustyroads]
roadrunner1 Offline


Registered: 04/08/09
Posts: 1287
Loc: oh
Excellent UOA with the only element I would consider high is Cu, with this many miles/hours it may be a normal reading.

I am a 10w-30 user, as you well know and I use it in every application I can. keep on truckin!
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#4514450 - 09/12/17 06:15 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: dustyroads]
A_Harman Offline


Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 6977
Loc: Michigan
Copper has been trending down in every oil analysis since the engine was new. It'll be good.
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#4514491 - 09/12/17 07:12 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: dustyroads]
Rob_Roy Offline


Registered: 10/26/08
Posts: 985
Loc: Northern, NY
Very nice report. I think this is the longest OCI I have ever seen without the use of a bypass filter.

Considering the low TBN and that the oil is starting to thicken, I think you got everything out of it.

Who did the analysis and what was their recommendation?
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#4514604 - 09/12/17 08:48 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: roadrunner1]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 1079
Loc: upstate NY
Originally Posted By: roadrunner1
Excellent UOA with the only element I would consider high is Cu, with this many miles/hours it may be a normal reading.

I am a 10w-30 user, as you well know and I use it in every application I can. keep on truckin!


Yup, I know you use 10W30 without apologies. thumbsup Everything is taking forever to get rinsed out. Copper, aluminum and potassium, and even moly from early oci's are still hanging in there due to so much oil being left in the engine at each drain.
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#4514608 - 09/12/17 08:52 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: AirgunSavant]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 1079
Loc: upstate NY
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
Very interesting- thanks!
I took a shine to Delo 15w30 HDEO for my OPE and tractors


You're welcome! I thought maybe some people would be interested in this oil for their gasoline engines (big and small).
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#4514633 - 09/12/17 09:24 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: Rob_Roy]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 1079
Loc: upstate NY
Originally Posted By: Rob_Roy
Very nice report. I think this is the longest OCI I have ever seen without the use of a bypass filter.

Considering the low TBN and that the oil is starting to thicken, I think you got everything out of it.

Who did the analysis and what was their recommendation?



I agree that I got a lot out of this oil and it wasn't easy (for me) to go that far.
I watched the idle time piling up and the total fuel burned along the way, so I was a little bit concerned.
The only thing that gave me some comfort was the fact that the oil wasn't going down on the dipstick,
as I took that as a good sign.

Lab was ALS for all. Three NAPA kits and a Delvac kit were used.
The Delvac kit doesn't provide TBN for whatever reason.

Code:
From most recent analysis: "All wear rates normal. 
Abrasives and other contaminant levels are acceptable. 
Action: as oil and filters already changed, resample next recommended service interval 
to further monitor."


Code:
From the factory fill sample: "Engine wear levels appear satisfactory 
for first sample. The higher than normal potassium and aluminum levels 
in isolation suggests leaching of brazing flux compound 
from the aftercooler, and does not indicate a wear related problem. 
The higher than normal copper level is due to leaching of copper oxide 
from the oil cooler, and does not indicate a related wear problem. 
Abrasive and other contaminant levels are acceptable. 
Viscosity within specified range. 
Action: as oil and filters already changed, resample next service interval 
to monitor and establish wear trend."


Edited by dustyroads (09/12/17 09:37 PM)
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#4516598 - 09/14/17 10:00 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: dustyroads]
Dak27 Offline


Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 156
Loc: UT. USA
Thanks for posting the UOA, Dusty. It will be a couple more months before I switch from the 15w40 Delo SDE over to the 10W30 XLE for the Winter.

I've been meaning to post a UOA for the 15W40 SDE, but I've been really busy running, which is always a good thing.

I'm new to interpreting the numbers, but from what I can see, your motor really likes the 10W30 XLE. It looks very much up to the task.

Be safe, and best regards!

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#4518604 - 09/17/17 01:35 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: Dak27]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 1079
Loc: upstate NY
You're welcome Dak. I know that you are limited to shorter intervals with the Series 60 engine (at least while you have warranty), but I know that the new CK-4 oils will work great for you, too. They are improved in preventing aeration and shearing, and that benefits all of us.

The important thing in my mind is that the new oil appears to be living up to the hype, at least in regards to the extended oci abilities. I'm certainly impressed with the TBN retention and the apparent oxidation resistance. The most recent oci was not only a considerable number of miles, but many hours, too.

I'm going to enjoy keeping the truck out of the shop for an extra month or two between oil changes.

Take care and safe truckin'!
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#4686608 - 03/06/18 06:27 PM Re: Delo XLE 10W30 55007 miles Detroit Diesel DD13 [Re: dustyroads]
dustyroads Offline


Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 1079
Loc: upstate NY
Here is my latest UOA. This OCI was early August 2017 to early January '18. I'm over the fear of running these long intervals. I'm really enjoying the fact that I just grease the tractor myself and only going in for oil changes about every 5 months.

This was more of the same in regards to the operating conditions. I'm loaded the vast majority of the time, taking in raw materials and reloading with finished products or often moving raw materials or partially finished goods between factories. I'm usually loaded close to the 80k pound limit.

This oci:
55185 miles
1427 total hours (978 hrs driving / 449 hrs idling)
7172 gallons of fuel burned for an average 7.694 mpg (I thought I would average over 8 mpg, but the cold winter winds and blazing trails through the snow really put a load on the engine.)

No oil was added, it remained solidly at the full mark on the dipstick throughout the entire interval. It takes 10 gallons at each oil change, but the total capacity is 46.5 quarts (leaving 6.5 quarts behind at each drain). If you look at my original factory fill UOA thread, I said that it takes 38 quarts for an oil change. That's what the guys said at my very first oil change, but maybe their bulk oil dispenser nozzle was inaccurate. Every oil change since, has taken a full 10 gallons to fill and that matches the info in Detroit literature.

I'm very happy with the engine. It's quite impressive all around.

Code:
Engine miles     237650     182465      127458      67400     29617
Oil miles         55185      55007       40186      37783     29617
Oil hours          1427       1851        1074       1195       755
All 10W-30 oils   Delo XLE   D-XLE       D-XLE    Delvac Elite  Factory fill
API               CK-4/SN   CK-4/SN     CK-4/SN      CJ-4       CJ-4


Iron               34         38          33          46         31
Chromium            2          3           3          10          3
Lead                0          0           0          12          0
Copper             12         24          39         150        321
Tin                 0          0           0           6          6
Aluminum           15         19          28          61         38
Nickel              0          0           0           0          1
Silver              0          0           0           0          0
Titanium            0          0           0           0          0
Vanadium            0          0           0           0          0

Silicon             5          5           6           6          5
Sodium              3          9          10           5          9
Potassium          26         26          34         131         96
Water            <0.05%     <0.05%      <0.05%     <0.05%       <0.05%
Coolant            NO         NO          NO          NO         NO

Magnesium         736        715         683         895        470
Calcium          1280       1376        1586        1576       1534
Barium              0          0           0           0          2
Phosphorus        720        731         868        1054        915
Zinc              830        873        1043        1417       1140
Moly                3          7          17          59         57
Boron              17         17          37          16         83

Visc (cSt)@100c  11.8       12.5        11.5        12.4       11.4
Fuel              <1%        <1%         <1%         <1%        <1%          
Soot             0.3%        0.5%        0.1%        0.9%       0.3%

TBN               3.0         2.9         3.3        N/A        3.6




Last summer, I learned that this engine has "Sputter" or "Sputtered" bearings for the mains and rods. I somehow stumbled upon a Detroit PDF that takes a Detroit tech through the process of diagnosing the cause of spun bearings. Among other things, it mentions the "Sputter" bearings.

Apparently, these bearings are much better suited to handling the intense pressure of making huge torque at crazy low rpm (they're less susceptible to wear and fatigue). The downside of these bearings, is that they don't allow particles to embed in the hardened aluminum/tin overlay the way a copper/lead//tin (softer) bearing does. If something gets into the sputtered bearings (that may otherwise embed into the traditional soft bearing), it will most likely cause a spun bearing. This is all new stuff to me, and maybe some will want to read up and learn more. Just throwing it out there for those who want to learn.
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