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#4514201 - 09/12/17 11:56 AM SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ?
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As the title states - are the SOPUS (Pennzoil) synthetic oils really cleaner than say M1 or Castrol like synthetic oils strictly due to formulation from natural gas ?


Edited by ChrisD46 (09/12/17 11:57 AM)
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#4514211 - 09/12/17 12:14 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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GTL and hydro cracked Group 3 should both be very clean, maybe GTL is slightly cleaner. I think which one of them will be "cleaner" is moot because as soon as you start driving the contaminant from fuel burning starts and it is really the additives that makes the difference.
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#4514220 - 09/12/17 12:31 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Always been curious about that myself. On the Molecular level it is cleaner (less impurities) thus it cleans better because of less impurities? All additives being equal, the base oil (less impurities) cleans better...how does that work? Great question.
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#4514242 - 09/12/17 01:00 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: PandaBear]
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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
GTL and hydro cracked Group 3 should both be very clean, maybe GTL is slightly cleaner. I think which one of them will be "cleaner" is moot because as soon as you start driving the contaminant from fuel burning starts and it is really the additives that makes the difference.

And just to be clear, GTL feed stocks are also hydrocracked and result in a Group III finished product.
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#4514264 - 09/12/17 01:36 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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GTL feed stock is not derived from petroleum oil.
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#4514277 - 09/12/17 01:57 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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8% more piston cleanliess versus M1 , so the GTL base stock being non - petroleum oil makes the difference ?
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#4514314 - 09/12/17 02:51 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Will the difference actually make a difference during the engines life? People fall for the marketing claims whether valid or not.
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#4514330 - 09/12/17 03:25 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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It's liquidy ball bearings!

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#4514380 - 09/12/17 04:51 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: Nickdfresh]
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Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
It's liquidy ball bearings!


Great, now some newb is going to throw ball bearings in his oil fill hole and trash his engine because of you!
Proud of yourself???

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#4514391 - 09/12/17 05:12 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Does GTL provide any meaningful performance advantage over other Group IIIs? I'm not sure?

But where the rubber hits the road from my perspective is the Shell Middle Distillate Synthesis(SMDS) as it relates to a newer technology to hit the consumer market in recent years that has been in development since the early 1970s and cost upwards of 19-Billion to bring to fruition. So there again, in my view, it's a newer and exciting technology that in many instances can be purchased for less money then similar competitors, e.g., $9.99 for 5qts after MIR? That just works for me.
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#4514500 - 09/12/17 07:19 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Earth is a carbon based planet. I would like SOPUS to make synthetic oil from a gas giant, such as Jupiter, in a vacuum. That would be impressive. We are always trying to get the best oil, etc. We will turn to oil ourselves; except for cremation.
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#4514534 - 09/12/17 07:42 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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SOPUS didn't do GTL to make a better product, but that is a good byproduct. They did it for another reason.
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#4514563 - 09/12/17 08:05 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: Krieg]
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Originally Posted By: Krieg
Earth is a carbon based planet. I would like SOPUS to make synthetic oil from a gas giant, such as Jupiter, in a vacuum. That would be impressive. We are always trying to get the best oil, etc. We will turn to oil ourselves; except for cremation.


Whoa...like you are a very deep thinker dude. grin

Thanks to OP for a great topic !
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#4514569 - 09/12/17 08:06 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: kschachn]
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
SOPUS didn't do GTL to make a better product, but that is a good byproduct. They did it for another reason.


Why did they do it?

Anything to do with a NG glut?
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#4514576 - 09/12/17 08:14 PM Re: SOPUS Natural Gas Syn Oils Actually Cleaner ? [Re: GemStater]
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Registered: 01/27/17
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Originally Posted By: GemStater
Does GTL provide any meaningful performance advantage over other Group IIIs? I'm not sure?

But where the rubber hits the road from my perspective is the Shell Middle Distillate Synthesis(SMDS) as it relates to a newer technology to hit the consumer market in recent years that has been in development since the early 1970s and cost upwards of 19-Billion to bring to fruition. So there again, in my view, it's a newer and exciting technology that in many instances can be purchased for less money then similar competitors, e.g., $9.99 for 5qts after MIR? That just works for me.


Does the Shell Advanced 4T Ultra use SMDS technology?

Thanks

http://www.shell.com/motorist/oils-lubri...ance-ultra.html
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