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#4511409 - 09/09/17 09:12 AM Are there "boutique" oil filters?
Speak2Mountain Offline


Registered: 04/07/17
Posts: 352
Loc: Mississippi
I know many of you won't use boutique oils b/c of the price/bang for buck, but are there boutique oil filters that do x and y better on paper? I'd rather spend more at the filter level and get a better product (goal: long engine life/better flow) than going Amsoil or other high end oils.

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#4511413 - 09/09/17 09:23 AM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Speak2Mountain]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 9535
Loc: Upper Midwest
So if there is a filter for sale at a relatively low price point, manufactured by a major filter manufacturer and has excellent published ISO filtration numbers then what would you get by spending more? Or on the other side, what if you use an OEM filter with supposed low filtration efficiency for over 375,000 miles (such as I have done in my old Sienna), what would be gained from using these boutique filters?

One might come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter what oil filter you use, or at least that there is no advantage to something that costs a lot of money.

BTW, there are no boutique oil filters that do x or y better on paper than one you can buy just about anywhere. Other filters might get you better testimonials, a cool can color or a flashier website, but the whole "on paper" part is going to be missing.
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#4511419 - 09/09/17 09:40 AM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Speak2Mountain]
Nick1994 Offline


Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 10318
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
It's not just cost.

Several boutique filters just don't filter as well as some regular off the shelf filters. So what's the point?
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#4511423 - 09/09/17 09:45 AM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Speak2Mountain]
Rolla07 Offline


Registered: 11/05/11
Posts: 4755
Loc: MTL, CANADA
Yeah, I agree with the above. Oil filter or oil wont be any difference.
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#4511426 - 09/09/17 09:51 AM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Speak2Mountain]
AirgunSavant Offline


Registered: 07/22/15
Posts: 3772
Loc: MD
If there was a boutique filter that was proven to filter better in all respects for longer than the norm, many wouldn't buy it.
Don't even think about posting what does "filter better" mean- That is just a way to up your posting numbers. I suspect the old
Sienna van that Kschachn talks about would have lived just as long with conventional oil through its veins too..........

When men talk of grease and oil reality really doesn't matter much. They do what they want to do and often none of it makes sense.
We do have some great oil filters out there and often the best are in the $6-$10 range- so no need to really go boutique..

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#4511427 - 09/09/17 09:51 AM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Speak2Mountain]
sir1900 Offline


Registered: 03/12/09
Posts: 1589
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan
Your focus should be on the air filter, not the oil filter.
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#4511430 - 09/09/17 09:56 AM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Speak2Mountain]
NormanBuntz Offline


Registered: 07/27/13
Posts: 2170
Loc: Outer Banks, NC
I'll never spend $15 to $20 on say a Royal Purple filter, if I can buy a Fram Ultra for $6-8 and it's good for 20K miles of service. I do 5K miles oil changes in our M35, so it's very convenient for me to run the Ultra for 2-3 intervals and not have to remove 20 bolts on my splash shield every time.

For me, it's cost and convenience first.
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#4511433 - 09/09/17 10:01 AM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: NormanBuntz]
Kuato Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 7094
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: NormanBuntz
I'll never spend $15 to $20 on say a Royal Purple filter, if I can buy a Fram Ultra for $6-8 and it's good for 20K miles of service. I do 5K miles oil changes in our M35, so it's very convenient for me to run the Ultra for at least two intervals and not have to remove 20 bolts on my splash shield every time.

For me, it's cost and convenience first.


Not to mention the Ultra is one of the better filters available.

For the F150, I use an Amsoil filter (made by Donaldson). I guess it could be considered a boutique filter. However when I bought them by the case they were the same cost as a Fram Ultra, and at up to 25k miles of use, synthetic media and good filtration it's the one I settled on. (and yes, using Amsoil on extended drains had a part in that decision)

I've considered going Wix XP for 15k as that's a solid unit... or FU as well. I may do so once my case of EaO17's have been used.
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#4511459 - 09/09/17 10:47 AM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Speak2Mountain]
aquariuscsm Offline


Registered: 12/30/06
Posts: 18309
Loc: Dallas,Tx USA
Maybe those uber expensive stainless steel ones.
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#4511468 - 09/09/17 11:03 AM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Speak2Mountain]
dogememe Offline


Registered: 04/15/17
Posts: 720
Loc: SF BAY AREA, CA
I've used Royal Purple filters a few in the past, because I get a really good discount on all filters through work including those. I found them to look really nice and have really good construction, but I have no data to say they are better than something cheaper. Also used Wix XP which is "premium" but now I've just standardized on Wix filters because I don't have to order them from the warehouse (like the Royal Purple filters) and for my OCIs and applications the RP filters were overkill.
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#4511478 - 09/09/17 11:18 AM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Speak2Mountain]
CT8 Offline


Registered: 10/09/14
Posts: 11245
Loc: Idaho
The best oil filter ia an air filter.
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#4511489 - 09/09/17 11:36 AM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Speak2Mountain]
FordCapriDriver Offline


Registered: 10/22/15
Posts: 2454
Loc: Balearic Islands , Spain
In terms of filters i always use OEM when possible.
I've had mostly Fords and Motorcraft air, oil filters are generally built to a good standard and are not very expensive.

OEM oil filters also ensure that for example the Bypass valve opening pressure is spot on for your particular engine too.
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#4511575 - 09/09/17 01:53 PM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Kuato]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6186
Loc: Waco, TX
Amsoil & Royal Purple filters are made by Donaldson.
Fram Ultra is also very good.
Very little info on Purolator Boss.

I would run any of them, but recently got an EXCELLENT deal on a batch of Donaldsons.

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Maybe those uber expensive stainless steel ones.


The ones with stainless mesh screen inside? Not worthless... but not worth it.

Air-cooled VW Beetles with type 1 engines used "screen door screen" as an "oil filter"!
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#4511603 - 09/09/17 02:33 PM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Speak2Mountain]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 32775
Loc: ME
IMO boutique filtration requires re-engineering, and plumbing. Remote bypasses, etc. Otherwise you've just got another stupid can on there.

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#4511610 - 09/09/17 02:48 PM Re: Are there "boutique" oil filters? [Re: Speak2Mountain]
Timo325 Offline


Registered: 08/31/14
Posts: 345
Loc: AL,NC,TX,Germany,Korea,Italy
Yes there are. Enter Microgreen oil filters. with an additional microfilter that filters 2-5 micron size.

Marketing slogan, "Change your filter, not your oil." Used one a few years ago. I'd keep using them but I feel they are overpriced, and I don't really know how well they filter. A MC 820 could do the same job for me. As others have stated, a good air filter is more important.

http://www.microgreenfilter.com/

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1655024
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