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2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations #4510671
09/08/17 07:45 AM
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TX south plains
cadfaeltex Offline OP
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Wife's 2014 Lincoln Navigator with 5.4l V8. Suburban driving at ~8k a year with many trips under 5 miles but at least one longer trip a week. Texas South Plains. Warranty is up so I can move away from the Ford required 6 month OCI and on to yearly changes.

Thinking Motorcraft filter? Oil?

Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: cadfaeltex] #4510697
09/08/17 08:08 AM
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cadfaeltex
This is a pretty easy 1. I run this same 5.4L engine in my 2011 Expedition. You can't go wrong with Mobil 1 and a Motorcraft Fl-820s filter. I ran it for yrs before I switched to Amsoil and a Bypass Filter @ 100k miles(after extended warranty expired) I also ran Mobil 1 in my 1999 Expedition 5.4L (2 valve) for about 12 yrs. Good Luck to you and Thank You for your Military Service!


2011 King Ranch Ford Expedition EL 4x4 - 191,000 miles - Amsoil Signature Series 5w-20, BMK 23-EA Dual Bypass Filter
Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: cadfaeltex] #4510701
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Castrol magnatec and a motorcraft filter every 5k would be my choice. But that's really my go to on anyone's car I change oil on.


Mine: 2018 Chevy spark (White) 1.4 Non-turbo
Mobil 1 0w20 AFE
ACDelco UPF64R

Wife's: 2018 Chevy spark (Blue) 1.4 Non-turbo
Mobil 1 0w20 AFE
ACDelco UPF64R
Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: cadfaeltex] #4510706
09/08/17 08:27 AM
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TX south plains
cadfaeltex Offline OP
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O'reilley's doesn't seem to show Mobil one. My the annual protection is dear to Mobil. Looked at Castrol Magnatec or Pennzoil Platinum.

Thanks for the thanks. Need to get my avatar changed, now retired.

Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: cadfaeltex] #4510732
09/08/17 09:21 AM
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The Motorcraft FL-820 is certainly the ugly duckling of their filter lineup. Lots of tearing issues, sharp baseplates cutting ADBV's.

Fram Ultra XG-2 or Wix 51372 are a good choice.

I have a 4.6 3V and I run Castrol Edge 5W30 with good results on a UOA. Planning on switching to Mobil 1 5W30 just because I feel like it.

Personally, I would only run 5W30 in a 3V ford. I know the forums say 5W20 and MC filters only or your phasers will explode, which is complete science-fiction.

Fordtechmakuloco recommends all 3V engines to be run with 5W30. Note that countries other than the US and Canada with 3V engines are spec'd for 5W30, so don't believe the forum hype.

The 4.6 and 5.4 3V's are a flawed design and you will eventually have issues with the cam phasers, timing chain tensioner seals blowing out, VVT solenoid failures, seized roller rockers, ticking lash adjusters, oil pump failures and so on. They're all fixable things, but you have to find a shop that is willing to tear into a 3V as they're 'special.'

The bottom end of those engines are very tough however.

Take good care of your engine, use a quality oil and filter, change it regularly and avoid short tripping and you can delay the inevitable.

Also consider checking the actual hot idle oil pressure (not the factory gauge, it's a dummy switch set at 7 PSI) and make sure you're above 20PSI at idle. Also keep an ear out for funky ticking noises and startup rattles.

Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: cadfaeltex] #4510769
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Don't believe everything posted here.


2007 Ford Fusion 235,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 60K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: tig1] #4510779
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Originally Posted By: tig1
Don't believe everything posted here.


Can you elaborate? I know you're a fan of MC filters, but the 3V engine is undeniably the turd of the modular V8 lineup.

Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: Canadastang] #4510962
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Originally Posted By: Canadastang
Fordtechmakuloco recommends all 3V engines to be run with 5W30.


And that's very good advice.

Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: Canadastang] #4510974
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Originally Posted By: Canadastang
Originally Posted By: tig1
Don't believe everything posted here.


Can you elaborate? I know you're a fan of MC filters, but the 3V engine is undeniably the turd of the modular V8 lineup.


A fan? I have used them for many years with great results in Fords. I did try a different filter 12-14 years ago, and in one month the engine started making a clacking noise on start. I pulled the filter off and went back to the MC FL 400 and no noise. Also, can you use more BITOG appropriate langue? Thank you in advance.


2007 Ford Fusion 235,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 60K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: tig1] #4510985
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Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Canadastang
Originally Posted By: tig1
Don't believe everything posted here.


Can you elaborate? I know you're a fan of MC filters, but the 3V engine is undeniably the turd of the modular V8 lineup.


A fan? I have used them for many years with great results in Fords. I did try a different filter 12-14 years ago, and in one month the engine started making a clacking noise on start. I pulled the filter off and went back to the MC FL 400 and no noise. Also, can you use more BITOG appropriate langue? Thank you in advance.


Turd is inappropriate language on the internet?

Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: cadfaeltex] #4510986
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I used the FL-820s on my dad's Ford with the 6.2.. It sounded horrible at nearly every startup. As much as I tried to like it, I just couldn't. Such a shame too. Ford filter and a great price to boot. This wasn't an isolated incident either since I tried them many times. WIX and Mobil 1 filters seemed to work great.

The FL-400s Tig is mentioning is a great filter. I have no complaints about that filter whatsoever and have used it on my Jeep many of times. I'd use it again worry free if needed.

In my experience, the 400s and the 820s are not equals.

*Oil wise, I'd run any top tiered synthetic worry free.

Last edited by dlundblad; 09/08/17 02:49 PM.

03 Jeep WJ 4.0 202k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 186k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 153k Synpower 5w30 Supertech ST3980 (Ecore)

Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: Canadastang] #4510987
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Originally Posted By: Canadastang
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Canadastang
Originally Posted By: tig1
Don't believe everything posted here.


Can you elaborate? I know you're a fan of MC filters, but the 3V engine is undeniably the turd of the modular V8 lineup.


A fan? I have used them for many years with great results in Fords. I did try a different filter 12-14 years ago, and in one month the engine started making a clacking noise on start. I pulled the filter off and went back to the MC FL 400 and no noise. Also, can you use more BITOG appropriate langue? Thank you in advance.


Turd is inappropriate language on the internet?
Only if you are Canadian smirk

Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: Canadastang] #4510988
09/08/17 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: Canadastang
Turd is inappropriate language on the internet?


Talk like you would as if you were a guest in someone's house and talking in their living room. The word isn't censored or spelled to bypass the filter on here but none the less not the best choice in language. But you won't get a message from the mods to tone it down or a temporary ban.

Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: Merkava_4] #4510990
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: Canadastang
Fordtechmakuloco recommends all 3V engines to be run with 5W30.


And that's very good advice.


I've been running my 4.6 3V mustang on 5W30 for 4 or 5 years now and it has a bit less phaser and valvetrain noise vs 5W20. Also when I datalog with Forscan, the phasers advance and retard as intended.

I can't remember who it was, but I remember a guy datalogged a 3v on 5W30 vs 5W20 and the phaser advance and retard was much smoother and predictable with 5W30 than with 5W20. Wish I could remember where I saw that.

Re: 2014 Lincoln Navigator oil recommendations [Re: dlundblad] #4510993
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
I used the FL-820s on my dad's Ford with the 6.2.. It sounded horrible at nearly every startup. As much as I tried to like it, I just couldn't. Such a shame too. Ford filter and a great price to boot. This wasn't an isolated incident either since I tried them many times. WIX and Mobil 1 filters seemed to work great.

The FL-400s Tig is mentioning is a great filter. I have no complaints about that filter whatsoever and have used it on my Jeep many of times. I'd use it again worry free if needed.

In my experience, the 400s and the 820s are not equals.

*Oil wise, I'd run any top tiered synthetic worry free.


The FL-910 is a pretty decent filter with good value for the money from what I've seen. Not impressed at all with the 820. If you insist on using a motorcraft, the FL-500 seems to be quite a bit better and should fit the same.

It's funny that you mention the 6.2 startup rattle - this spring we had a 2017 F-350 6.2 as a loaner and it had nasty startup rattle, the truck didn't even have 1000 miles on it! Popped the hood and there's a FoMoCo filter (not MC) on it.

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