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#4509023 - 09/06/17 12:31 PM How long until new engine turns oil black?
AnarchyX Offline


Registered: 06/27/08
Posts: 191
Loc: Texas
As you guys know I recently bought a new Ford Edge (2.0 eco-boost)and I finally have almost 1500 miles on it but the oil looks the same as it did when I bought it with a little over 400 miles.There's also none of the shiny metal shavings that I can see in the oil.

So I'm wondering if this is normal because it's a new car, or does it have more to do with the type of engine it is and that it's semi-synthetic oil?

I drive about 10 miles to work and then 10 back of course, plus around 5 or so for lunch Monday through Friday.

Now the tailpipe does have the black soot stains on it, but I read that's pretty normal for direct injection/turbo engines.

Okay, well any info would be appreciated.

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#4509025 - 09/06/17 12:37 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX]
CELICA_XX Offline


Registered: 11/28/08
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Loc: Oklahoma
I was unable to see anything shiny on the dipstick of my new engine... but I could see it shine after it drained into the catch pan.
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#4509029 - 09/06/17 12:40 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Loc: Great Lakes
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
So I'm wondering if this is normal because it's a new car, or does it have more to do with the type of engine it is and that it's semi-synthetic oil?

Type of engine will probably play into it more than anything else. For example, a diesel engine will turn oil black within just a couple hundred miles. On a typical gasoline engine it should take a lot longer.

It may also be oil dependent. Some add packs, once activated, can cause the oil color to turn darker, but that in itself is not a cause for condemnation.

FYI, I change oil in my 530i once a year. I probably have around 6-8K miles on it at that point, and the oil is still not black by then.

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#4509055 - 09/06/17 01:02 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX]
AirgunSavant Offline


Registered: 07/22/15
Posts: 3772
Loc: MD
What Quattro said and a new engine isn't loaded with sludge so going black fast isn't the norm.
I ran out one of my new Fords to 6200 miles on the FF and it was still golden color
The cut open filter looked good for another 5 grand too

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#4509058 - 09/06/17 01:04 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX]
rshaw125 Offline


Registered: 08/18/04
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Loc: Raleigh ,NC CSA
The Edge we bought with the new 2.0 Ecoboost had clean looking oil when I changed it. The dealer was adamant to change the factory fill when the message says to. I gave in at 5000 miles. Let it drain for and hour and filled with Home Depot Shell and a Motorcraft filter.
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#4509080 - 09/06/17 01:23 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX]
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Registered: 05/19/16
Posts: 705
Loc: Canada

If you have a spin-on oil filter, Id start using FilterMags that match the filter
Diameter. See the results in the PDF below. If you know the filter has 3/4 clearance
all the way around the filter, then Id use a pair of FilterMags.

Ive been doing it for last 3 years along with more bar mags on open space on the filter,
it keeps my oil clean for 8-9 months! My UOA shows 40-50% less iron and a drop in all other wear metals.


FILTERMAG vs HOMEBREW
https://app.box.com/s/uxvu8dmscf5wcgftutdm0ejqwgn86tw7

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#4509082 - 09/06/17 01:26 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX]
ARCOgraphite Offline


Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 11964
Loc: N.H, U.S.A.
Metal shavings?

I hope not. This ain't no Far eastern made 80 buck OPE on a murray.
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#4509136 - 09/06/17 02:29 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX]
FordCapriDriver Offline


Registered: 10/22/15
Posts: 2377
Loc: Balearic Islands , Spain
Your Ecoboost should in theory turn the oil dark faster than a regular port injection gas engine.
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#4509139 - 09/06/17 02:33 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 19042
Loc: Iowegia - USA
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
Your Ecoboost should in theory turn the oil dark faster than a regular port injection gas engine.


For sure.

I would change oil and filter at 1,000 miles.

Dipstick oil color doesn't tell the whole story.

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#4509142 - 09/06/17 02:35 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX]
ecotourist Offline


Registered: 07/09/08
Posts: 1067
Loc: British Columbia, Canada
I noticed the same thing on my (then) new Honda Accord. It took a long time for the oil to darken at all. Happened again after the first change.

I think the engine is just really clean.
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#4509145 - 09/06/17 02:38 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6148
Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
How long until new engine turns oil black?


More than 15,000 miles..... I've run it that far, and it STILL ISN'T black, just dark brown.

No sludge in the valve cover through the oil fill hole. 155,000 miles
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#4509155 - 09/06/17 02:51 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 20450
Loc: Upstate NY
It's seconds for my pickup.
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#4509163 - 09/06/17 03:08 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: MolaKule]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29745
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
Your Ecoboost should in theory turn the oil dark faster than a regular port injection gas engine.


For sure.

I would change oil and filter at 1,000 miles.

Dipstick oil color doesn't tell the whole story.


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#4509254 - 09/06/17 04:50 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: Quattro Pete]
fdcg27 Offline


Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 15687
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
So I'm wondering if this is normal because it's a new car, or does it have more to do with the type of engine it is and that it's semi-synthetic oil?

Type of engine will probably play into it more than anything else. For example, a diesel engine will turn oil black within just a couple hundred miles. On a typical gasoline engine it should take a lot longer.

It may also be oil dependent. Some add packs, once activated, can cause the oil color to turn darker, but that in itself is not a cause for condemnation.

FYI, I change oil in my 530i once a year. I probably have around 6-8K miles on it at that point, and the oil is still not black by then.



With one of my old 240Ds, you could count on total darkness in fresh oil by the time I drove to work and back once, about fifty miles.
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#4509348 - 09/06/17 06:20 PM Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: MolaKule]
SnowDrifter Offline


Registered: 08/24/14
Posts: 391
Loc: WA
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
Your Ecoboost should in theory turn the oil dark faster than a regular port injection gas engine.


For sure.

I would change oil and filter at 1,000 miles.

Dipstick oil color doesn't tell the whole story.


Change the filter if you think it needs it. But IMO I'd let the break in oil run it's full course. It's full of a lot of juicy additives that help with safe break in of parts. Usually they're pretty high in moly and zinc

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