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How long until new engine turns oil black? #4509023
09/06/17 11:31 AM
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AnarchyX Offline OP
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As you guys know I recently bought a new Ford Edge (2.0 eco-boost)and I finally have almost 1500 miles on it but the oil looks the same as it did when I bought it with a little over 400 miles.There's also none of the shiny metal shavings that I can see in the oil.

So I'm wondering if this is normal because it's a new car, or does it have more to do with the type of engine it is and that it's semi-synthetic oil?

I drive about 10 miles to work and then 10 back of course, plus around 5 or so for lunch Monday through Friday.

Now the tailpipe does have the black soot stains on it, but I read that's pretty normal for direct injection/turbo engines.

Okay, well any info would be appreciated.

Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX] #4509025
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I was unable to see anything shiny on the dipstick of my new engine... but I could see it shine after it drained into the catch pan.


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02 Toyota ECHO - Valv MaxLife Full Syn 5w30 SN+
97 Lexus LX450 - M1 EP HM 5w30 SN+
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Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX] #4509029
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Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
So I'm wondering if this is normal because it's a new car, or does it have more to do with the type of engine it is and that it's semi-synthetic oil?

Type of engine will probably play into it more than anything else. For example, a diesel engine will turn oil black within just a couple hundred miles. On a typical gasoline engine it should take a lot longer.

It may also be oil dependent. Some add packs, once activated, can cause the oil color to turn darker, but that in itself is not a cause for condemnation.

FYI, I change oil in my 530i once a year. I probably have around 6-8K miles on it at that point, and the oil is still not black by then.



'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX] #4509055
09/06/17 12:02 PM
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What Quattro said and a new engine isn't loaded with sludge so going black fast isn't the norm.
I ran out one of my new Fords to 6200 miles on the FF and it was still golden color
The cut open filter looked good for another 5 grand too

Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX] #4509058
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The Edge we bought with the new 2.0 Ecoboost had clean looking oil when I changed it. The dealer was adamant to change the factory fill when the message says to. I gave in at 5000 miles. Let it drain for and hour and filled with Home Depot Shell and a Motorcraft filter.


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Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX] #4509080
09/06/17 12:23 PM
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If you have a spin-on oil filter, Id start using FilterMags that match the filter
Diameter. See the results in the PDF below. If you know the filter has 3/4 clearance
all the way around the filter, then Id use a pair of FilterMags.

Ive been doing it for last 3 years along with more bar mags on open space on the filter,
it keeps my oil clean for 8-9 months! My UOA shows 40-50% less iron and a drop in all other wear metals.


FILTERMAG vs HOMEBREW
https://app.box.com/s/uxvu8dmscf5wcgftutdm0ejqwgn86tw7

Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX] #4509082
09/06/17 12:26 PM
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Metal shavings?

I hope not. This ain't no Far eastern made 80 buck OPE on a murray.


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Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX] #4509136
09/06/17 01:29 PM
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Your Ecoboost should in theory turn the oil dark faster than a regular port injection gas engine.


1975 Ford Capri II Ghia 3000 V6, - Shell Helix HX3 20W-50 w/ 20% Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO.

1988 Ford Escort Mk4 Xr3i Cabrio, - Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40, w/ 30% Helix 3 20W-50.

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Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: FordCapriDriver] #4509139
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Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
Your Ecoboost should in theory turn the oil dark faster than a regular port injection gas engine.


For sure.

I would change oil and filter at 1,000 miles.

Dipstick oil color doesn't tell the whole story.


"Molon Labe" (Greek, King Leonidas to the Persians regarding their weapons "Come and Take Them!").
Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX] #4509142
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I noticed the same thing on my (then) new Honda Accord. It took a long time for the oil to darken at all. Happened again after the first change.

I think the engine is just really clean.


2000 BMW 528i 5MT
2007 Honda Accord EX-L 4Door V6 6MT
Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX] #4509145
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Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
How long until new engine turns oil black?


More than 15,000 miles..... I've run it that far, and it STILL ISN'T black, just dark brown.

No sludge in the valve cover through the oil fill hole. 155,000 miles


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: AnarchyX] #4509155
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It's seconds for my pickup.


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Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: MolaKule] #4509163
09/06/17 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
Your Ecoboost should in theory turn the oil dark faster than a regular port injection gas engine.


For sure.

I would change oil and filter at 1,000 miles.

Dipstick oil color doesn't tell the whole story.


approved


God Bless Our Troops

Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: Quattro Pete] #4509254
09/06/17 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: AnarchyX
So I'm wondering if this is normal because it's a new car, or does it have more to do with the type of engine it is and that it's semi-synthetic oil?

Type of engine will probably play into it more than anything else. For example, a diesel engine will turn oil black within just a couple hundred miles. On a typical gasoline engine it should take a lot longer.

It may also be oil dependent. Some add packs, once activated, can cause the oil color to turn darker, but that in itself is not a cause for condemnation.

FYI, I change oil in my 530i once a year. I probably have around 6-8K miles on it at that point, and the oil is still not black by then.



With one of my old 240Ds, you could count on total darkness in fresh oil by the time I drove to work and back once, about fifty miles.


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17 Forester 18K VME 0W-20
12 Accord LX 96K SSO 0W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
96 Accord LX 104K T5 10W-30
95 318i
Re: How long until new engine turns oil black? [Re: MolaKule] #4509348
09/06/17 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
Your Ecoboost should in theory turn the oil dark faster than a regular port injection gas engine.


For sure.

I would change oil and filter at 1,000 miles.

Dipstick oil color doesn't tell the whole story.


Change the filter if you think it needs it. But IMO I'd let the break in oil run it's full course. It's full of a lot of juicy additives that help with safe break in of parts. Usually they're pretty high in moly and zinc


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2003 Forester(the swagger wagon) - Rehomed
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