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Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. #4508206
09/05/17 02:55 PM
09/05/17 02:55 PM
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Toronto, Canada
George7941 Offline OP
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I replaced the inner tierod on my truck with a Moog EV370. I usually read the instructions which come in the package but there were no instructions, so I plunged in. The good news is that I had a little bit of play on the driver side front wheel and now there is no more play.

I read the FSM after the job was done and realised that I made three mistakes. The manual wants the rack and the tie rod joint greased which I did not do. I can slide the boot back and easily rectify that. The joint already had grease in it, they want more added?

There was a plastic sleeve over the original joint, which the manual calls a shock dampener. The manual wants it to be transferred over to the new joint. I can do that without too much difficulty by disconnecting the outer tie rod.

The manual wants a pipe wrench on the end of the rack so that the torque involved in loosening and tightening the tie rod is not transferred to the internals of the rack and pinion unit. I did not use a pipe wrench and must have applied about 140 ft lbs of torque to break the old loctited joint loose. Might I have damaged anything? So far no symptoms.

I set the toe by using string and jackstands and am pretty confident that I have the toe set correectly.


2006 GMC Sierra 4.3l, NV3500,G80 , Mobil 1 5W30, Dexcool.
1987 BMW R80 - sold
2015 Honda CBR300R

Staying out of the right lane a lot.
Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: George7941] #4508215
09/05/17 03:11 PM
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I highly recommend you get the alignment checked anyway. Last time I changed tie rods I thought I got the toe bang on but ended up being WAY off.


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Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: George7941] #4508216
09/05/17 03:12 PM
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If it has grease in it, I wouldn't worry. I'd go by what the Moog part said, and if it didn't say to grease it, you're good. The FSM is probably written that way because maybe some come ungreased and they want you to check it.

The shock dampener thing, never seen one so I don't know.

If it's not clunking or doing anything odd, don't worry. I've never heard of the pipe wrench thing. When I replaced my tie rods on my Liberty, I just used a big adjustable wrench, didn't hold the rack or anything.


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Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: mclasser] #4508232
09/05/17 03:29 PM
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George7941 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: mclasser
I highly recommend you get the alignment checked anyway. Last time I changed tie rods I thought I got the toe bang on but ended up being WAY off.

You will be surprised by how accurately the toe can be set if you are diligent enough. I set the toe many years ago on the truck and the front tires are wearing very very evenly. I am assuming incorrect toe will manifest itself in tire wear, I don't know how accurate the assumption is.


2006 GMC Sierra 4.3l, NV3500,G80 , Mobil 1 5W30, Dexcool.
1987 BMW R80 - sold
2015 Honda CBR300R

Staying out of the right lane a lot.
Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: George7941] #4508248
09/05/17 03:49 PM
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You really should get a real alignment.

With it on jack stands, you have weight on the wheels right? Wheels aren't floating? Because you can't do an alignment if the weight isn't on the wheels, the toe will be quite a bit off.


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Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: Nick1994] #4508253
09/05/17 03:54 PM
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Toronto, Canada
George7941 Offline OP
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No, the truck is on the ground. The jackstands are only to tie the string on to.


2006 GMC Sierra 4.3l, NV3500,G80 , Mobil 1 5W30, Dexcool.
1987 BMW R80 - sold
2015 Honda CBR300R

Staying out of the right lane a lot.
Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: George7941] #4508265
09/05/17 04:10 PM
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Did you get the steering wheel centered?

It can a PITA some times to get it centered. I gave up getting it centered this past Spring when I used the string method after I replaced a lot of parts on the front end. Took my truck to get a two wheel alignment done, and the tech did say I did a dang good job of setting the toe.


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Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: BigD1] #4508289
09/05/17 04:46 PM
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Toronto, Canada
George7941 Offline OP
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Yes, the steering wheel is centered now and also was before tierod replacement.


2006 GMC Sierra 4.3l, NV3500,G80 , Mobil 1 5W30, Dexcool.
1987 BMW R80 - sold
2015 Honda CBR300R

Staying out of the right lane a lot.
Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: George7941] #4508351
09/05/17 06:07 PM
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HoosierJeeper is right, if it's greased, it's greased. Not all parts come greased.

The "shock damper" is just an accordion sleeve, right? It's only purpose is to keep grit from getting into the grease. You should get it in there ASAP, but it won't explode if you don't.

If the rack isn't leaking, and you can move it from lock to lock without any funny noises, you probably dodged that bullet. Time will tell.


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Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: HangFire] #4508357
09/05/17 06:12 PM
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Toronto, Canada
George7941 Offline OP
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The shock damper is different from the boot. The shock damper is about 1 1/4 in long, smooth, pinkish white in colour and fits tightly over the ball and socket joint of the tierod.


2006 GMC Sierra 4.3l, NV3500,G80 , Mobil 1 5W30, Dexcool.
1987 BMW R80 - sold
2015 Honda CBR300R

Staying out of the right lane a lot.
Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: George7941] #4508358
09/05/17 06:12 PM
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I managed to align my last 528e by taking painstaking measurements of the original set up. I kept it a 1/2 turn short to account for the wear. Drove great and tires didn't wear on the edges. Wheel was still centered.


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Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: George7941] #4508400
09/05/17 07:00 PM
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I think you should do what the FSM wants you to do. It sounds like some important stuff.

Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: Merkava_4] #4508454
09/05/17 07:41 PM
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George7941 Offline OP
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Well, I can still do the way FSM wants on two of the three items. It is too late for the pipe wrench backup, what has been done is done, no way to correct it.


2006 GMC Sierra 4.3l, NV3500,G80 , Mobil 1 5W30, Dexcool.
1987 BMW R80 - sold
2015 Honda CBR300R

Staying out of the right lane a lot.
Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: George7941] #4508488
09/05/17 08:18 PM
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I just want to add that a lot of people do not know how to properly align toe with the string method. A majority of people incorrectly assume the front and rear wheel widths are the same, when most are not, and proceed to align the two hub centers parallel with the string.

Since most vehicles have smaller rear track widths, by adjusting the front to what you think is neutral (zero toe) is actuality negative toe(toe out). To properly do a string alignment you have to add the difference in track width, from the front and rear, to the hub center spacing for a proper parallel alignment.

Re: Replaced Inner Tie Rod - Made Mistakes. [Re: George7941] #4508638
09/06/17 12:15 AM
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Is the pipe wrench for holding the inner tie rod still while you loosen the outer tie rod ?

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