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Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? #4507575
09/04/17 07:11 PM
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SumpChump Offline OP
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Victim: 2013 Toyota Camry 60k 2AR-FE And this happens JUST PAST WARRANTY!
Clueless Perpetrator: 15 1/2 year old family member student driver

Events: 70F cold start after 48 hours sitting, mistakes gas pedal for brake, starts car with gas to the floor, motor fliiiiies up to around 5,000 RPM then foot quickly pulled off accelerator. All of this occurred in park with no load.

Observation: I was outside the car as another family adult was in the passenger seat about to do the tutoring session. I observed blue smoke on deceleration ( as it dropped down from the initial startup rev to 5,000+) it was thick blue oil smelling smoke.

In a nutshell that motor she screamed on startup amd then free floated down.

Obviously you can't really do much worse other than draining the oil and starting it or doing it at 0F. So pretty much not good.
Your thoughts? Will she knock on startup? Scored cylinders... oil consumption to start soon? Spun bearing? VVti timing chain stretch?

Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: SumpChump] #4507577
09/04/17 07:13 PM
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Is this some late night humor or are you really serious?


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 202k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 186k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 153k Synpower 5w30 Supertech ST3980 (Ecore)

Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: SumpChump] #4507579
09/04/17 07:13 PM
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Relax. It'll live.


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: SumpChump] #4507581
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None of the above.

That car has throttle by wire and a neutral rev limiter, probably 4k rpm. And it did this with no load.

Fine, fine, fine.

Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: eljefino] #4507586
09/04/17 07:16 PM
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SumpChump Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
None of the above.

That car has throttle by wire and a neutral rev limiter, probably 4k rpm. And it did this with no load.

Fine, fine, fine.


I heard Toyotas don't like high rev no load. Vvti or something.

It was real BLUE smoke on the deceleration/derevving. Like an old 1974 Ford Torino wagon with 150k on it. Horrible blue.

Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: dlundblad] #4507587
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Is this some late night humor or are you really serious?

Just being the usual drama queen that he is.


'02 530i (Edge 0W-40)
'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: SumpChump] #4507595
09/04/17 07:30 PM
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It's going to smoke forever now.

Smoking is addictive.

Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: SumpChump] #4507603
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If it was smoking then it was getting lubricated.

Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: SumpChump] #4507607
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You serious? Nothing was hurt - guaranteed this car had worse probably on delivery to you or around the dealer's lot. Guaranteed it never hit 5k either. The computer limits revs in park to about 4k to protect the torque converter.

Cars are not these fragile little things we like to make them out to be. They are quite robust machines, BITOG folklore aside.

Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: SumpChump] #4507610
09/04/17 07:47 PM
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You are worried about the wrong engine parts. If anything, the valve guides and valve stem seals lived one or three of their nine lives. I doubt any harm was done.

Last edited by skyactiv; 09/04/17 07:49 PM.

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Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: itguy08] #4507611
09/04/17 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: itguy08
You serious? Nothing was hurt - guaranteed this car had worse probably on delivery to you or around the dealer's lot. Guaranteed it never hit 5k either. The computer limits revs in park to about 4k to protect the torque converter.

Cars are not these fragile little things we like to make them out to be. They are quite robust machines, BITOG folklore aside.


Than why are we on here worrying about what oil for?


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Me: 13' VW GTI 3 door 6 speed manual
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Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: SumpChump] #4507615
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If you change the oil the used oil will contaminate all the waste oil. It will need to be contained and disposed of in an appropriate manner.


1987 BMW R65 - Aegis SAE30
2005 Nissan Expert - Gulf Western 10W-40
1996 Volvo T5 - Penrite HPR15 - 15W-60. Ryco syntec filter.
Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: SumpChump] #4507618
09/04/17 07:54 PM
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I have a neighbor who does this every time he starts his vehicle. Says it gets oil flowing faster. Can't reason with him. His vehicles last 100,000 + miles and he sells them running good. Ed


CX5 Touring 2.5L :-)
Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: SumpChump] #4507632
09/04/17 08:06 PM
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the blue smoke proved you had the cylinders all oiled up....

Re: Student Driver just took YEARS off my motor? [Re: SumpChump] #4507644
09/04/17 08:21 PM
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What guys worry about on BITOG

1) MAYBE my (new car) dealer is incompetent

2) Maybe a teenager ruined my motor

3) Maybe the guy next to me on the Interstate will have Chinese tires

Unbelievable......

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