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#4506997 - 09/04/17 07:57 AM Best 20 gauge self defense ammo
clarkflower Online   content


Registered: 12/27/11
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Loc: US
I would like to hear opinions as to the Federal #2 buck 3 inch Magnum 18 pellet @1100 FPS vs the Rio #1 buck 9 pellet @1347 FPS for home defense use.

A few thoughts: I took both to the range.
The Rio #1 buck 9 pellet (1347 FPS) kicks like a mule and taken apart seems to have twice the powder (or the wad ends 1/2 an inch higher to the pellets) vs Federal #2 buck 18 pellet 3 inch Magnum.

The pattern of both at 17 feet from an 18 inch no choke barrel could be covered by a Volleyball, but the Rio seemed to look more like a Blimp or Banana vs the Federal Volleyball. (I was surprised at the size of the spread in both. Certainly more like a volleyball and nothing like a softball)

Doing some math it does seem the weight- 529 grains vs 364 grains
and almost double frontage area of the 18 Federal pellets is much more.

The weight and added 200fps of the Rio #1 buck should give penetration than the Federal

Thanks


Edited by clarkflower (09/04/17 08:06 AM)

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#4507002 - 09/04/17 08:16 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: clarkflower]
rooflessVW Online   content


Registered: 12/24/11
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I think if you rock almost any shotgun load into someone it will effectively neutralize the threat.

I load #6 for home defense. Consider over penetration of something like 00.
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#4507003 - 09/04/17 08:16 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: clarkflower]
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Any 3", 12 gauge Magnum buckshot load is going to be devastating to anyone on the receiving end, especially within the confines of a house.

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#4507010 - 09/04/17 08:29 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: billt460]
clarkflower Online   content


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Thanks--20 gauge though--(There is some talk that anything less than #1 buck doesn't reliably penetrate deeply enough to hit vitals...especially if the invader has a heavy leather coat in winter)


Edited by clarkflower (09/04/17 08:30 AM)

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#4507017 - 09/04/17 08:43 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: clarkflower]
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Registered: 06/24/09
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I'd go down to number 4 buck for home defense. I'd pick the load with less recoil (faster follow up if needed) and a more regular pattern, in your case the Federal.

Does Federal make a Flite Control load in 20g? I'd check that out if available.

BSW

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#4507037 - 09/04/17 09:14 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: clarkflower]
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Check here for pics of penetration by various shotgun loads: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/02/robert-farago/shotgun-penetration-with-various-rounds/

BSW

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#4507043 - 09/04/17 09:22 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: clarkflower]
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#4507049 - 09/04/17 09:29 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: clarkflower]
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Registered: 07/18/09
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Loc: texas
A typical home invasion confrontation scenario is you walk in on a robbery in progress. Thieves usually hit houses they know are vacant so they don't have to deal with people with shotguns blasting lead at them. Unless you live in particularly bad part of town where the criminals are highly desperate (drugs) You wont likely have to deal with that.

That said, if you hear thump thump smash in the middle of the knight. I would want something that I can wing around close quarters easily (doorways, narrow halls etc) and has minimum kick. Controlled rapid fire is more effective than one cannon blast. If you fire off a 20 gauge in a home and miss, I think the biggest problem you will have is cleaning the yellow and brown stains from your carpet. smile

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#4507053 - 09/04/17 09:33 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: clarkflower]
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Loc: Waco, TX
I think either one would be fine for home defense.

Just don't use dove & quail loads.
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#4507075 - 09/04/17 09:54 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: clarkflower]
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A slug
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#4507076 - 09/04/17 09:55 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: danez_yoda]
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Originally Posted By: danez_yoda
A typical home invasion confrontation scenario is you walk in on a robbery in progress. Thieves usually hit houses they know are vacant so they don't have to deal with people with shotguns blasting lead at them. Unless you live in particularly bad part of town where the criminals are highly desperate (drugs) You wont likely have to deal with that.

That said, if you hear thump thump smash in the middle of the knight. I would want something that I can wing around close quarters easily (doorways, narrow halls etc) and has minimum kick. Controlled rapid fire is more effective than one cannon blast. If you fire off a 20 gauge in a home and miss, I think the biggest problem you will have is cleaning the yellow and brown stains from your carpet. smile



Aw come on...you are taking all the fun out of it by introducing reality.

I am guessing the OP does not have children in the house on the other side of the 5/8" sheetrock interior walls.
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#4507080 - 09/04/17 10:00 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: bsmithwins]
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Thanks for that link>#4 buckshot is what we here consider the minimum all purpose buckshot load for tactical applications.

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#4507088 - 09/04/17 10:04 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: danez_yoda]
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There actually have been doors kicked in here where I live. Seems to be the new thing sadly. We recently had a gang member on probation shoot a man in both legs in a robbery. Served 5 months till suspended and then killed a man in another robbery a month later.

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#4507106 - 09/04/17 10:15 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: clarkflower]
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Originally Posted By: clarkflower
There actually have been doors kicked in here where I live. Seems to be the new thing sadly. We recently had a gang member on probation shoot a man in both legs in a robbery. Served 5 months till suspended and then killed a man in another robbery a month later.




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#4507120 - 09/04/17 10:25 AM Re: Best 20 gauge self defense ammo [Re: clarkflower]
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I get the slug, but if needed woken groggy at 3am I really do like the idea of throwing a volleyball with a 6 inch margin of error down the hall vs a slug that could miss by a 1/2 inch

To me the question is what buck. 1- 2- 3 or 4 keeping in mind I can use the Federal # 2 in 3" mag with almost the same amount of pellets as most #3 rounds


Edited by clarkflower (09/04/17 10:28 AM)

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