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#4506418 - 09/03/17 04:41 PM Never change your oil filter again?
ZZman Offline


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#4506432 - 09/03/17 04:55 PM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: ZZman]
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Registered: 07/22/10
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Loc: PNW
Lot's of marketing lies in that article about oil filters (ie, most filters are in bypass 90% of the time).

This is just another fine metal mesh oil filter that needs to be cleaned on a regular schedule.

"... and it improves any carís fuel efficiency by a minimum of 2%, according to Whipsaw."

I'd like to see the test data on that claim.

I do agree that used oil filters are a potential danger to the environment because of how they are disposed.

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#4506482 - 09/03/17 05:49 PM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: ZZman]
OneEyeJack Offline


Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 7479
Loc: S California
Has there ever been a permanent/cleanable oil filter that has ever caught on?

One comment that caught my eye on their Website was the claim that there is metal on metal contact on start up until oil reaches the top of your engine. The oil in my engines clings to the metal parts and is there for the next start up. If there was any amount of metal to metal contact I'm not sure the starter develops enough torque to turn the engine over or at least not fast enough to start the engine. And what would happen the second or third or fourth time you started your engine.

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#4506628 - 09/03/17 07:48 PM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: ZZman]
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If you run two filters on a remote filter mount would the MPGs increase then double?
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#4506794 - 09/03/17 09:56 PM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: ZZman]
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I'd love to see an engine go say 300k on one oil filter without a single problem, then I'll believe in a "lifetime" oil filter, but, I don't see how it could work!
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#4507516 - 09/04/17 07:22 PM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: jongies3]
CB900F2 Offline


Registered: 10/15/05
Posts: 153
Loc: Toronto
I emailed them and ask them for real world application data.. lets see what they say..

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#4507590 - 09/04/17 08:23 PM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: CB900F2]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
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Originally Posted By: CB900F2
I emailed them and ask them for real world application data.. lets see what they say..

Make sure they send you standardized laboratory test data, anything else is bound to be worthless.
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#4507616 - 09/04/17 08:52 PM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: jongies3]
ZeeOSix Offline


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Originally Posted By: jongies3
I'd love to see an engine go say 300k on one oil filter without a single problem, then I'll believe in a "lifetime" oil filter, but, I don't see how it could work!

This is a typical fine metal mesh filter, many like this one on the market - probably filters down to 40~50 microns. Still have to remove it and clean it on a regular basis. Not meant to be left on forever without cleaning.

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#4507683 - 09/04/17 10:15 PM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: ZZman]
Pajero Offline


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But, it's made of surgical steel.....
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#4507738 - 09/05/17 12:34 AM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: ZZman]
2strokeNorthstar Offline


Registered: 07/19/17
Posts: 274
Loc: PR CA, USA
Had one on my Yamaha yz 250f. Worked fine. Got sick of cleaning it and worrying about it. It's another solution to a non existent problem.

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#4508004 - 09/05/17 11:06 AM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: ZZman]
VetteElite Offline


Registered: 04/20/13
Posts: 116
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Do regular filters actually run in bypass as much as they claim? Seems like an outrageous claim...

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#4508044 - 09/05/17 11:56 AM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: VetteElite]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
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Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: VetteElite
Do regular filters actually run in bypass as much as they claim? Seems like an outrageous claim...

No they don't, as shown with info in this thread.

LINK

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#4508060 - 09/05/17 12:23 PM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: VetteElite]
CT8 Offline


Registered: 10/09/14
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Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: VetteElite
Do regular filters actually run in bypass as much as they claim? Seems like an outrageous claim...
I' bet every time you start the car or when the oil is cold.
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#4508143 - 09/05/17 02:03 PM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: ZZman]
Sayjac Offline


Registered: 10/13/08
Posts: 12273
Loc: The Old North State
One member boxcartommie swears by the reusable stainless steel filters, S&S/K&P? No matter how great they may (or may not) be, not for me as I don't need or want another item to maintain/clean. However, I do enjoy reading his enthusiasm for the product, in my observation he's generally good natured about it too.

To each their own.

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#4508335 - 09/05/17 06:48 PM Re: Never change your oil filter again? [Re: Sayjac]
kschachn Offline


Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 9418
Loc: Upper Midwest
Originally Posted By: Sayjac
One member boxcartommie swears by the reusable stainless steel filters, S&S/K&P? No matter how great they may (or may not) be, not for me as I don't need or want another item to maintain/clean. However, I do enjoy reading his enthusiasm for the product, in my observation he's generally good natured about it too.

To each their own.

But honestly, someone "swearing" by an oil filter really means nothing. I could swear by the myriad of Denso, Honda and Hengst oil filters I've used on my old cars over the years but all that really means is that I've never identified an oil filter related failure from any of them. Other than that an oil filter is pretty much a black box that I swap out every time I change the oil. It's even quite likely that I would have had the same overall experience had the cans (and for the Hengst the box) been empty.
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