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Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change #4505109
09/02/17 07:13 AM
09/02/17 07:13 AM
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grampi Offline OP
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Maybe I'm just getting old (actually, there's no maybe about it), but I still believe if you've got something that works, don't change it. I think a lot of automakers change the designs of their models just to get a different look, and in the process, they are actually ruining a lot of models. Take the Civic for example, IMO the '06 thru '11 models were by far the nicest looking Civics ever produced, either in the coupe or the sedan. The model after that was way too generic looking, and the current model is just plain fugly. I don't understand what they're doing, style wise, at Honda, but they're not the only ones. Here are a few of the others I've noticed:

All models of the previous gen Mazda 3 were much nicer looking than the current one.

I saw a new Cruze yesterday and I thought it looked exactly like a Ford Focus sedan. The previous version was much better looking.

Though the Corvette is a bit different in that it undergoes many performance upgrades, I haven't been able to warm up to the looks of the C7. The smooth, round, flowing lines of the C5 and C6 have been replaced by angles and sharp corners. No thanks Chevy, even though the C7 is a better performer, I'd still take a C5 or C6 over it any day.

I realize each successive model is usually better in some ways than its predecessor, but the newer designs seem to be lacking a restraint from gaudiness. Different just to be different regardless of the outcome seems to be the new "in" thing...I guess I am out...

Last edited by grampi; 09/02/17 07:16 AM.
Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: grampi] #4505115
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Didn't you already post basically the same thread that they shouldn't change the looks of well selling vehicles a few months ago ?

We no longer tie an onion to our belt (which was the fashion at the time from what I've heard0

Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: grampi] #4505145
09/02/17 07:48 AM
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ASE L1, Master. Deutsch Meisterbrief.
Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: grampi] #4505147
09/02/17 07:55 AM
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You remind me of the guy that couldn't let go of his 72 Polara.....lol

Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: grampi] #4505167
09/02/17 08:16 AM
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There was a time when the auto makers changed the car every model year.
The 55, 56, 57, 58 Chevy as an example. Or did Chevy reach the pinnacle of automotive design with the Citation II?


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Me: 13' VW GTI 3 door 6 speed manual
Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: grampi] #4505182
09/02/17 08:27 AM
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I think the new Civic is a fine looking car, especially the coupe version.



2018 Chevy Colorado



Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: HM12460] #4505196
09/02/17 08:42 AM
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Hey grampi, I'm so with you as are many of us but changing sheet metal and trying to be cool is and has been a part of marketing for a long, long time.

So, I say this with an uplifting tone of comradery.....try to move on. Dwelling on the market places inadequacies will wear you down.

What's galling is that the car companies will call it "freshening".

Ex: The small, flat headlights of the '80's was said by GM to allow lower lighting angles. Then, in later cars, they stacked the 2 small lights!

Liars

Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: grampi] #4505200
09/02/17 08:46 AM
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Civic was made for its intended target market, being the younger crowd. Its certainly sportier looking. Being 34, its not on my list anyways.


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Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: grampi] #4505244
09/02/17 09:50 AM
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The only time it bothered me was recently with the Kia Sportage. They turned a very handsome car, with a broad market of buyers into a car that looks like a frog.

I can't imagine many people want to buy a frog car.


Pushrods, please.
Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: grampi] #4505251
09/02/17 09:55 AM
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What did Honda end up doing with the Civics that had the coolant seeping engine blocks? Did they just extend the warranty or actually replace engines. I was looking at used Civics back in 2010 when I found out about their issue and quit looking after three dealer's service departments told me they never heard of the problem.


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Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: DemoFly] #4505254
09/02/17 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted By: Shannow

We no longer tie an onion to our belt (which was the fashion at the time from what I've heard0


Dunno about you, but I love that episode of the Simpsons!

Onion on belt


Originally Posted By: DemoFly

I can't imagine many people want to buy a frog car.


mad

I take offense to that statement.
I like the Nissan juke!


06 Lexus IS350- Wife
88 BMW 325is- Mistress
Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: grampi] #4505266
09/02/17 10:09 AM
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Yep I agree .People like new not better.


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Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: grampi] #4505295
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Meh, the 55-57 was basically the same body. I drove 6 volt Bugs for nearly 20 yrs,. Then kids came and we switched to AMC Wagoneers. They used the same body '63-'91. Then 528es for 20 yrs. They had the same body for all 8 years. Studebaker sedans were the same cabin from '53-'64. The front end and decklid changed, but not the cabins. Leave the form the same but tweak the innards. 2 of those companies are extinct. BMW was building E 28s that would go 300K miles with basic maintenance. The bean counters fixed that problem. Nah, people want fresh looking new cars. Change the lights and grille. add more electronics. Same old car underneath the cosmetics.


'16 Camry LE STP synth 0w20 and STP filter. the Fridge

1994 Ranger ,the Rat, 5w30 dino, STP filter

'16 Camry SE, Valvoline HM 0w20 and OEM filter
Thick oil is better grin2
Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: grampi] #4505360
09/02/17 11:25 AM
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I agree...the market is profit-driven though, so if a model is "stale" the sales numbers drop. In today's "I must have the newest phone" world, there is a social status (stigma?) with some people who associate what they drive with who they are, and the people they know judge them accordingly....


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Re: Changing vehicle looks for the sake of change [Re: grampi] #4505372
09/02/17 11:33 AM
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55 and 56 Chevys are almost clones, but the 57 Chevy, at least from the C pillars back, were unique for the tri fives. Same for the first gen Camaro. 67 and 68 were virtual clones except for the door vent glass and side marker lights. The 69 Camaro was like a one year only design even though it is considered a first generation. In 70 the Camaro was radically changed from the first gens, and looked pretty much the same for the next decade. Then we have the Volkswagen Beetle, which went almost unchanged cosmetically for 40 years. I'd bet Grampi is a big fan of the Beetle.... wink

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