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#4504875 - 09/01/17 08:55 PM Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added
d00df00d Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
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Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. Hunter Road Force balance machine, so they may have re-mounted the tire on the wheel per the procedure.

Either way, I've heard about this happening, but only once, and never on one of my tires. Pretty awesome IMO!

Anyone had this happen on one of their tires?
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#4504881 - 09/01/17 09:02 PM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: d00df00d]
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Registered: 10/14/14
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Michelin are the greatest tires in the world.

No extra charge for dry rot......

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#4504892 - 09/01/17 09:16 PM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: d00df00d]
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I had the spare tire replaced on my 96' Silverado a few years ago. I had a brand new BFG Mud Terrain mounted (my brother's previous unused spare from his Jeep) and it took no weight either. I watched from inside Discount Tire when the tech balanced it and made a funny look on his face at the 0's.
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#4504910 - 09/01/17 09:32 PM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: d00df00d]
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It happens from time to time. Usually the higher quality, smaller sized tires is when you see it happen. It always makes me chuckle when I see the 0.0g on the Hunter. To make 100% sure ill spin the tire/rim 2 more times.
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#4504932 - 09/01/17 09:56 PM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: d00df00d]
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I had it happen years ago with one tire each on separate Corvettes. I always thought I should have bought a lottery ticket on those days...the stars were definitely in alignment.
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#4504976 - 09/01/17 11:25 PM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: d00df00d]
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Registered: 07/07/08
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The only time it happened to me was with a high-dollar set of Dunlops on a Saturn Ion Redline. Dunlop Sportmax II I think ? 2 of the tires could be road force balanced with zero weight, the other two with like .25 oz or something very small.

Then again, I had 4 Goodyear Wrangler RT/S LT for a Suburban: 3 of the tires exceeded the upper limit of 80 lbs of force and had to be returned, the last one was just in the limit. Of the next 3, 2 were bad. I seem to recall going back and forth exchanging tires and went through a total of 12 tires before all were good. They still felt like [censored]. I must say that Tire Rack came through for me- covered the total cost of replacement tires and labor with my installer. I can only guess that the factory had a bad batch and every one got shipped to Tire Rack. The original factory set of Firestone LT tires were pretty too. Next set were Michelin LT tires which were very smooth and perfect from the start. All of the tires came in at 6 lbs or less road force, which is supposed to be pretty good for LT tires. I was a lifelong customer of Goodyear until that happened: now I avoid them at all costs.

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#4505041 - 09/02/17 04:29 AM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: d00df00d]
Char Baby Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 10026
Loc: ROCHESTER, NY
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. Hunter Road Force balance machine, so they may have re-mounted the tire on the wheel per the procedure.

Either way, I've heard about this happening, but only once, and never on one of my tires. Pretty awesome IMO!

Anyone had this happen on one of their tires?


Was this with only one tire or all 4?

I have Michelin MXV4 OE on my Altima and 2 of them have at least 7 wgts on them. I was kind'a shocked. However, they're all nice & smooth!


Edited by Char Baby (09/02/17 04:30 AM)
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#4505049 - 09/02/17 04:54 AM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: d00df00d]
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I had that one time too. A thirty years old 13 inch Speedline alloy wheels from a scrapyard (Renault three stud fitment) and a set of who knows what tyres but, they couldn't be premium as at 18 I was broke and had other priorities. Two balanced zero, two only small weight added. Wheels from that age were great.
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#4505057 - 09/02/17 05:32 AM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: Char Baby]
d00df00d Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
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Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Was this with only one tire or all 4?

Just one.
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#4505061 - 09/02/17 05:37 AM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: chrisri]
d00df00d Offline


Registered: 10/20/05
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Originally Posted By: chrisri
I had that one time too. A thirty years old 13 inch Speedline alloy wheels from a scrapyard (Renault three stud fitment) and a set of who knows what tyres but, they couldn't be premium as at 18 I was broke and had other priorities. Two balanced zero, two only small weight added. Wheels from that age were great.

Yeah, this is one of the many reasons it's such a shame that wheels have gotten so huge in recent years.

What surprised me about my case is that it's a 19" wheel. It's forged, so it's very light for its size, but still huge and heavier than those smaller rims would be. Quite a bit tougher to get everything right with so much more size and mass.
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#4505088 - 09/02/17 06:42 AM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: d00df00d]
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Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 20463
Loc: Upstate NY
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: chrisri
I had that one time too. A thirty years old 13 inch Speedline alloy wheels from a scrapyard (Renault three stud fitment) and a set of who knows what tyres but, they couldn't be premium as at 18 I was broke and had other priorities. Two balanced zero, two only small weight added. Wheels from that age were great.

Yeah, this is one of the many reasons it's such a shame that wheels have gotten so huge in recent years.

What surprised me about my case is that it's a 19" wheel. It's forged, so it's very light for its size, but still huge and heavier than those smaller rims would be. Quite a bit tougher to get everything right with so much more size and mass.


What brand balancing machine was used?

A RoadForce brand machine can tell the operator to move the tire position on the rim and balance with less weight.

New car tires are mostly all balanced using a RoadForce machine.
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#4505089 - 09/02/17 06:42 AM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: d00df00d]
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Registered: 06/29/11
Posts: 1663
Loc: Crawfordville FL
I've got mixed feelings about bigger rims. On the one hand you get better cornering because the tire is lower profile, but man are 17" tires pricey.

I don't like cars that go past 18". Expensive and impractical for a street car.

Saw a Camaro driven by an African-American in town. It was lifted on what must have been 35" or more wheels. Why a person would choose to spend thousands to ruin the ride and handling characteristics of their car I don't know.

My other chief complaint is I'll see cars on giant rims out in front of a run down trailer with a gaggle of kids running around. You'd think they would spend those thousands on improving their families situation.


Edited by SilverFusion2010 (09/02/17 06:43 AM)
Edit Reason: Autocorrect got it wrong
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#4505135 - 09/02/17 07:38 AM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: d00df00d]
chrisri Offline


Registered: 06/01/14
Posts: 1744
Loc: Rijeka, EU
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: chrisri
I had that one time too. A thirty years old 13 inch Speedline alloy wheels from a scrapyard (Renault three stud fitment) and a set of who knows what tyres but, they couldn't be premium as at 18 I was broke and had other priorities. Two balanced zero, two only small weight added. Wheels from that age were great.

Yeah, this is one of the many reasons it's such a shame that wheels have gotten so huge in recent years.

What surprised me about my case is that it's a 19" wheel. It's forged, so it's very light for its size, but still huge and heavier than those smaller rims would be. Quite a bit tougher to get everything right with so much more size and mass.

Actually with 19 wheels you are in better position (generally speaking) than with 17s or even 18s. With 19 size most are HQ forged types, simply because cast would be a tonne heavy. 17 and 18 are usually cast except maybe some high end cars.
Still even with forged wheel most of the mass is farther away from the wheel centre compared to the small sizes. Centrifugal force comes into play, especially on small compacts that aren't really mechanically engineered for such a wheels. Except for the massive arches that needs to be filled.
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#4505179 - 09/02/17 08:24 AM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: d00df00d]
Claud Offline


Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 593
Loc: Margate England
I have occasionally come across tires needing no weights. Mostly upmarket ones, but some budget ones too. Kind of like getting a winning lotto ticket, most unlikely to be yours, but happens all the time.

Claud.

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#4505183 - 09/02/17 08:28 AM Re: Just had a tire balance with ZERO weight added [Re: chrisri]
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Registered: 08/19/10
Posts: 5254
Loc: Champlain/Hudson Valley
Veering off a bit, but........

Why can't all 4 tires and all 4 wheels be balanced on their own THEN matched to make 4 mounted tires using as little weight as possible?

Don't yell at me. I know the answer is that I created 12 balancing tasks where 4 did the job before and necessitated the need for a jig which holds unmounted tires.

But hey, if lead is so deadly....????

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