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Can a tree effect satelite internet? #4504144
09/01/17 08:21 AM
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My internet is through a small local company and is all I can get where I live. Lately its been unusable. I have good wifi in the house so it must be between there tower and my dish.

Had the repair guy out 3x in the last week and the last time he said I should trim up a juniper bush and see if that helps.

My dad was a radio engineer and would have laughed at this suggestion.

But this isnt radio. So I am asking before I figure out how to trim a tree I cant climb.


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Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: Chris142] #4504149
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I think you are talking about WISP (Wireless Internet Service Provider). They install a small dish at the customer's premises that is aimed horizontally toward one of the company's ground-based "towers" instead of upward at a satellite. At the tower, your data enters a wired or fiber optic network that ultimately leads to the Internet. Satellites are not involved.

These systems use microwave radio signals usually in the 5 GHz band. Trees and other obstructions will cause significant signal loss.

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Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: mk378] #4504156
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Originally Posted By: mk378
I think you are talking about WISP (Wireless Internet Service Provider). They install a small dish at the customer's premises that is aimed horizontally toward one of the company's ground-based "towers" instead of upward at a satellite.

These systems use microwave radio signals usually in the 5 GHz band. Trees and other obstructions will cause significant signal loss.
yes its called wisprenn internet here. Tower is about 30 miles away according to them.

Ok I will cut the tree up.


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Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: Chris142] #4504166
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Could you just move the dish??


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Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: old1] #4504206
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Originally Posted By: old1
Could you just move the dish??


Don't you don't have the correct equipment to get it pointed exactly where it needs to be for the best calibration of the modulation constellation.

Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: Chris142] #4504217
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Trees block signal.

Maybe have someone at the dish who can point you to exactly which branches are causing an obstruction.


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Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: Chris142] #4504225
09/01/17 09:34 AM
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I'm sure they do. Even my XM radio will cut out if I'm driving in the older part of town where there are a lot of trees that stretch out over the road.


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Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: Chris142] #4504230
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Yes trees do. My Dish TV gets worse in the summer when the leaves are out.


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Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: mk378] #4504282
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Originally Posted By: mk378
I think you are talking about WISP (Wireless Internet Service Provider). They install a small dish at the customer's premises that is aimed horizontally toward one of the company's ground-based "towers" instead of upward at a satellite. At the tower, your data enters a wired or fiber optic network that ultimately leads to the Internet. Satellites are not involved. The links had a feedback loop to accomplish this.

These systems use microwave radio signals usually in the 5 GHz band. Trees and other obstructions will cause significant signal loss.
Even temperature changes can affect the path. The early AT&T microwave links, it was found, had to change frequency with temperature changes, even clouds passing by caused the systems to shift to keep the beam on the receiver dish and not above or below it.

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Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: wwillson] #4504379
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Originally Posted By: wwillson
Originally Posted By: old1
Could you just move the dish??


Don't you don't have the correct equipment to get it pointed exactly where it needs to be for the best calibration of the modulation constellation.


It might not need any addt'l equipment to get it close enough if the equipment has an admin http console that shows signal strength.

Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: Chris142] #4504410
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Originally Posted By: Chris142


Had the repair guy out 3x in the last week and the last time he said I should trim up a juniper bush and see if that helps.

How high is your outdoor antenna?
How high is your "juniper bush"?
How far is the juniper from your antenna?
Do you notice more packet loss when it's windy?

Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: Chris142] #4504451
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Anything in the line of sight path needs to go. Perhaps the whole juniper needs to be mulched?


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Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: Carbon] #4504502
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Originally Posted By: Carbon
Originally Posted By: Chris142


Had the repair guy out 3x in the last week and the last time he said I should trim up a juniper bush and see if that helps.

How high is your outdoor antenna?
How high is your "juniper bush"?
How far is the juniper from your antenna?
Do you notice more packet loss when it's windy?
Its on the roof. I guess 10ft. Bush is probably 15ft tall. 60 ft away. wind makes no difference.


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Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: Chris142] #4504506
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Satellite generally sucks.


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Re: Can a tree effect satelite internet? [Re: Chris142] #4504887
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I cut a bunch out of the tree. Got on the roof and looked where the dish is pointed and its clear now.

Still doesnt work.


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