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Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? #4503915
08/31/17 10:34 PM
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So kawasaki says change the oil every 100hrs and filter every 200. I know oil temps on a commercial mower and air cooler engines in general run pretty hot. I run fram ultras, but the excessive heat has me worried about its lifespan. I heard they just tell you to change the filter every other change to reduce their Maintenance tax the government implements. They may not be the correct term though.


2007.5 dodge cummins 6.7 liter. Chevron Delo400 15w40. 7000 mile or 250-300hr intervals.

Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4503920
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My little Sears Briggs and Stratton mower doesn't have a filter or see that kind of service time. I change the oil with Valvoline SynPower Full Synthetic Motor Oil SAE 5W-30 every other month.

Last edited by JohnnyJohnson; 08/31/17 10:46 PM.

2004 Corolla 124642
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74277
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 74705 4-22-18
Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4503933
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
My little Sears Briggs and Stratton mower doesn't have a filter or see that kind of service time. I change the oil with Valvoline SynPower Full Synthetic Motor Oil SAE 5W-30 every other month.


That would make you paranoid, unless you use it non-stop for a pro lawn service. My Sears Briggs mower is over 20 years old and has had nothing but standard dino 30wt in it the whole time, changed once every 2 years. If you want to tell me that my mower is magical, I can accept owning a magical mower, lol. Except I've had the same experience with many different engines.

I'm not dismissing the benefits of synthetic oil here, if I were to buy new today I'd contemplate using one but even then, odds are it's going to be wheels, carb, pull cord, deck rust, progressive degeneration of the rest that fails before optimal oil quality made a difference. They just aren't the same beast as modern automobiles.

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Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4503950
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Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
So kawasaki says change the oil every 100hrs and filter every 200...... the excessive heat has me worried about its lifespan.


200 hours is a CONSERVATIVE lifespan for the oil filter on that engine. No problem at all. It has a very small oil pump, a fraction of the size of one used in a small 4-cyl car.


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Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4504005
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You'll be fine changing it every 200 hours.


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Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4504022
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200 hours x 60mph = 12000 miles. Fram Ultra. 'nuf said.


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Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: Dave9] #4504035
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Originally Posted By: Dave9
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
My little Sears Briggs and Stratton mower doesn't have a filter or see that kind of service time. I change the oil with Valvoline SynPower Full Synthetic Motor Oil SAE 5W-30 every other month.


That would make you paranoid, unless you use it non-stop for a pro lawn service. My Sears Briggs mower is over 20 years old and has had nothing but standard dino 30wt in it the whole time, changed once every 2 years. If you want to tell me that my mower is magical, I can accept owning a magical mower, lol. Except I've had the same experience with many different engines.

I'm not dismissing the benefits of synthetic oil here, if I were to buy new today I'd contemplate using one but even then, odds are it's going to be wheels, carb, pull cord, deck rust, progressive degeneration of the rest that fails before optimal oil quality made a difference. They just aren't the same beast as modern automobiles.


No that would give me something to do with my top out oil when I switch to what ever is on sale. My Corolla only uses less than half a pint between OCI's.

Yes and you're correct it won't be the motor that fails it will be some other part on the mower been there done that before.

Last edited by JohnnyJohnson; 09/01/17 06:02 AM.

2004 Corolla 124642
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74277
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 74705 4-22-18
Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4504045
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I did some calculations based on my car and compared it to my zero turn Kohler 7000 mower.

The automotive grade Fram Ultra oil filter is rated for 15,000 mi or @avg speed of 30 mph : 500 hrs.
[From car's readout, my avg is 37mph for highway/city(70/30) driving]

For my Toyota V6, it has a capacity 6.4qts(6.0L) /w filter and an engine displacement of 3500cc.
The oil capacity/displacement ratio is 1.73

The mower has a 2qts(1.893L) (1/3 of car) oil capacity and 725cc engine displacement(1/5 of car).
The oil capacity/displacement ratio is 2.61. Not surprising since it is air-cooled and requires oil for cooling.

Last edited by Patrick0525; 09/01/17 06:16 AM.

'14 Toyota Venza 3.5L 70K mi
TGMO 0W-20/Toyota filter (winter)
PP 0W-20/Fram Ultra filter(spring/summer)


Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4504069
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20 lots of ten hour runs?
Or 400 lots of half hour runs?

Makes a big difference...


Cable ties should hold it
Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4504105
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Fram Ultra can handle that


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Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4504129
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Considering you are using a high quality filter I wouldn't sweat it.


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Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4504131
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I will say I changed mine yesterday at 50 hours due to an oil problem- long story....
Yesterday after a brief 30 minute run I grabbed the Fram TG I put on and it gets super hot-I mean really hot.
After this last year mowing over 50 acres a week or more I find the silicone ADBV a must due to the heat.

But I took off a MC FL910s I was trying and it looked great and easily spun off by hand.
But I would have ran it out to a 100 hrs and that's it as it was under $3.50....
I do think that 200 hrs is doable however

Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: Patrick0525] #4504146
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Originally Posted By: Patrick0525
I did some calculations based on my car and compared it to my zero turn Kohler 7000 mower.

The automotive grade Fram Ultra oil filter is rated for 15,000 mi or @avg speed of 30 mph : 500 hrs.
[From car's readout, my avg is 37mph for highway/city(70/30) driving]

For my Toyota V6, it has a capacity 6.4qts(6.0L) /w filter and an engine displacement of 3500cc.
The oil capacity/displacement ratio is 1.73

The mower has a 2qts(1.893L) (1/3 of car) oil capacity and 725cc engine displacement(1/5 of car).
The oil capacity/displacement ratio is 2.61. Not surprising since it is air-cooled and requires oil for cooling.


We are about the same as far as experimenting but to me anyway the heat gets extreme on the big zeros and that is the only thing that bothers me about extended filter use. But as I said a cheaper filter looked brand new after 50 hours- I only tossed it because of oil issues. MC FL-910s
Since they are cheap I'd go a 100 hrs

Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4504188
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200 hours is fine. What oil? Hopefully AT LEAST 15W40.


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13 Yamaha XT250 Valv MC 10W40
12 Suzuki S40 Rotella 15W40
10 Acura TSX 2.4 PZL Plat 5W30
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Re: Running oil filter 200hrs on a commercial mower? [Re: motor_oil_madman] #4504239
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Synthetic oil, automotive filter change it every 50hrs. Overkill? Perhaps. However its like $6. The tractor was $3000.

For less expensive small engines I buy that semi synthetic 10W30 from Dollar Tree when it looks dirty I change it. That varies depending on the use of the equipment. The only exceptions are my John Deere Js48 walk behind that has a tiny oil filter, McLane Power reel mower and Craftsman wide cut, they get full synthetic as they're expensive.

I also add a zddp additive to more expensive equipment.

All my equipment is stored inside a garage or shed.

In 40 years when I'm retired maybe you'll run into me displaying the stuff in the antique lawn and garden equipment at the fair.

If you think it doesn't make a difference, I had one of those Kohler Courage engines on a tractor that were known to be problematic, I ran synthetic, zddp additive, a larger automotive oil filter with an oil filter magnet. You couldn't even tell the engine was run several hundred hours when I sold it. I also got nearly what I paid for it.

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