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F1 - 2017 Italian Grand Prix #4503786
08/31/17 06:49 PM
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F1 - 2017 Italian Grand Prix

US TV Times:
Practice 1: Friday September 1st, 4:00AM EST , NBC Sports Live Extra
Practice 2: Friday September 1st, 8:00AM EST , NBCSN
Practice 3: Saturday September 2nd, 5:00AM EST , NBC Sports Live Extra
Qualifying: Saturday September 2nd, 8:00AM EST , NBCSN
Race: Sunday September 3rd, 7:00AM EST , NBCSN

Standings:
Drivers
1. Sebastian Vettel, Scuderia Ferrari, 220
2. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes AMG Petronas, 213
3. Valtteri Bottas,Mercedes AMG Petronas, 179
4. Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull Racing, 132
5. Kimi Raikkonen, Scuderia Ferrari, 128
Constructors
1. Mercedes AMG Petronas, 392
2. Scuderia Ferrari, 348
3. Red Bull Racing, 199
4. Sahara Force India, 103
5. Williams Martini Racing, 45
6. Scuderia Toro Rosso, 40
7. Haas F1 Team, 35
8. Renault Sport, F1 34
9. McLaren-Honda, 11
10. Sauber, 5

For more, including track data, analysis, and video please check out my full post on TOV Motorsports.



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Re: F1 - 2017 Italian Grand Prix [Re: gofast182] #4503883
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With the championship on the line, the rest of the season should be interesting. F1 drivers have been known to resort to desperate measures to gain such a title. Sometimes a crash is better than a pass.

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Verstappen will be desperate, and that could make things interesting. Get Kvyat in there, too. wink


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Re: F1 - 2017 Italian Grand Prix [Re: gofast182] #4503998
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Force India's Perez and Ocon crashed two times in the last race. It's interesting to see if this pattern continues in Italy also.

I think Mercedes will take team orders into use from this race onward. I.e. Bottas has to let Hamilton pass him whenever needed.


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Originally Posted By: Garak
Verstappen will be desperate, and that could make things interesting. Get Kvyat in there, too. wink
up until the mechanical failure.

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Thanks for info on times always useful thanks as always

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1.) On what lap will Perez and Ocon crash into each other?

2.) On what lap will Verstappen break?

3.) On what lap will Alonso retire, and or break?

4.) On what lap will someone poke Whiting to wake him up from his slumber, and activate DRS? Or will he wait until Hamilton is sufficiently ahead so it won't matter?

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Originally Posted By: dave123
Thanks for info on times always useful thanks as always

You're welcome. Just FYI I have race time as 7:00AM which is pre-race coverage, actual race starts at 8:00AM.


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Re: F1 - 2017 Italian Grand Prix [Re: gofast182] #4504519
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Today's practice sessions were better than expected for Honda and worse than expected for Renault. If Honda's forthcoming spec. 4 engines gives them both power and efficiency, I really wouldn't be surprised to see them catch Red Bull before the end of the year.

If VER breaks again...boy IDK what. Same if PER and OCO clash.

I'm really hoping Haas can have a double points finish. All of the grid penalties others are taking in advance of Singapore can only help them.


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Re: F1 - 2017 Italian Grand Prix [Re: gofast182] #4505138
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Grosjean's shunt, whose fault?

He seems to blame it on FIA. He obviously realized how bad the conditions were but pressed on anyway. Should the team have told him to cool it or is he just a moron for wrecking when he knows full well the conditions are dangerous?


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Difficult to say. At the end of the day he had a pretty harsh warning when he hit the loud pedal. He then moved toward a wetter part of the track and hit the loud pedal again.

It's all a bit of a swimming pool at the moment though.

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And we're back out...

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Wow. Hamilton shows just how good a driver he is by qualifying for pole 1.1 seconds faster than Verstappen who showed how good he is in the rain back in Brazil.

What a way to become the all time leader for number of poles. Amazing.


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Re: F1 - 2017 Italian Grand Prix [Re: Indydriver] #4505594
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Originally Posted By: Indydriver
He seems to blame it on FIA. He obviously realized how bad the conditions were but pressed on anyway. Should the team have told him to cool it or is he just a moron for wrecking when he knows full well the conditions are dangerous?

Race control obviously has some responsibility. But, no one forced Grosjean to go out, either, or to drive at the rate he did. He could have actually stayed in the garage and then still been at the back of the grid, and had his car in one piece. They could have appealed to allow to race given the conditions and that their time in practice was sufficient.

Hamilton seemed to do well. I don't think the cold track was doing the Ferrari any favours. Now, it's pretty easy to applaud Hamilton, but let's be realistic. He gets lots of poles. Look at what Stroll accomplished. That was almost miraculous.


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Originally Posted By: Brad_C
Difficult to say. At the end of the day he had a pretty harsh warning when he hit the loud pedal. He then moved toward a wetter part of the track and hit the loud pedal again.

It's all a bit of a swimming pool at the moment though.


Yes, I noticed that too from Grosjean's in-car camera. He was running in another car's tire tracks, then they ran out, and his car broke traction and he backed off the gas, but then got back on it. That was when he lost it. Later on, NBCSN showed in-car footage from Hamilton, and the same thing happened to him at almost the same place on the main straight, but he didn't get back on the gas after correcting the slide, and just held speed until braking for the chicane.


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