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Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner #4501976
08/30/17 06:16 AM
08/30/17 06:16 AM
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crainholio Offline OP
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I picked up an '07 4Runner with 163K miles, 4.0L V6 as a project...chronic P0016 variable valve timing error, bank A. Pulled the passenger side valve cover to verify timing and found a minor sludge-fest as shown in the pics below. Maintenance records are very sparse on CarFax and Toyota, the original owner said he had a local shop do the oil changes at 5K mile intervals, unknown oil brand. The P0016 code is gone after removing and cleaning the intake cam (sludge accumulation in the VVT oil passages) and replacing the big VVT actuator on the front of the intake cam. I'm running Rotella T6 0W-40 and a Toyota filter. Will be back under the valve cover soon to replace the [censored] aftermarket #2 timing chain tensioner, the nylon pad is being touched by the #1 chain at idle causing a clicking sound.

Sludge pics below, feedback is appreciated:



Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4501993
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A lot of heavy varnish there. Did you clean out any sludge? If not, it's actually not all that bad looking from the pics and considering the 163k miles on the engine. Also we could assume cheaper oil was used.

Do you plan to run some short OCI's to work on that varnish?


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Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4501995
08/30/17 06:55 AM
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Looks like you caught it in time...with some TLC it should be good to go. The 4.0 is a good engine generally.

I don't think the previous owner was entirely truthful about the oil change regimen....


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Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4501998
08/30/17 06:58 AM
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Four or five cans of Berryman B-12 Chemtool to hose down the valve train area followed by an immediate OC and some short OCIs thereafter will have it looking like new.


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Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4502011
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Not awful, seen much worse. Some heavy varnish, light-ish sludge areas. Also doubting history of regular 5k oil changes even with bulk API rated conventional.

Perhaps some shorter ocis using synthetic and gradual clean up. No drastic measures needed IMO.

Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4502025
08/30/17 07:25 AM
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crainholio Offline OP
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Thanks for the feedback. I cleaned the valve cover w/ B12 and a nylon brush, good high pressure airgun blast after it dried. Inside, I only cleaned the intake cam, bearing caps, and bolts. Found solid sludge in the cam oil passages that supply pressurized oil to the VVT actuator and scrubbed them out gently w/ small nylon brush from Harbor Freight (airgun cleaning brush set $1.99).

I'm letting the T6 0W-40 do what it can to gently clean the remaining sludge. It'll have approx 500 miles on it when I open it back up this weekend to replace the #2 timing chain tensioner again, will snap pics for comparison but I'm not expecting to see much improvement as yet.

My theory on the P0016 error was either sludge blocking the pressurized oil feeds to the VVT actuator, or the actuator itself clogged/jammed with sludge. I had already replaced the VVT solenoid and cleaned the VVT oil filter screen prior to opening up the valve cover, neither move had corrected the error. It's a fun project thus far.

Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4502027
08/30/17 07:30 AM
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Good on you for cleaning up/fixing up this vehicle that will last another 10 years.
That isn't nearly as bad I was expecting. I would change the filter at 500 and let the oil run another 500, and then put whatever is spec'd, full syn. It will be just fine.


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Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4502037
08/30/17 07:42 AM
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crainholio Offline OP
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The really interesting thing is the sludge buildup on the #3 bearing caps. Little to no sludge on the #1 and #5 caps...the close-up shot is the #3 cap on the exhaust cam. Seems like there may be more heat or less oil spray there.

Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4502083
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Looks like oil condensation from short trips. assuming that the pcv and hose are clean and working properly.

Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4502086
08/30/17 08:43 AM
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Cool pics! Doesn't look bad to me at all given the age and mileage.


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Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: JTK] #4502088
08/30/17 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted By: JTK
Cool pics! Doesn't look bad to me at all given the age and mileage.

Gee whiz I think it looks awful for that mileage. My ancient Sienna with nearly 400K miles doesn't look anything like that.

I have a very hard time believing there were consistent 5K oil changes on that engine regardless of what oil was used.


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Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4502100
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Make sure the headgasket is still good on this motor. The older 4.0s would sometimes develop headgasket leaks and that could be responsible for your sludge.


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Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4502104
08/30/17 09:02 AM
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I agree with the two statements above. It doesn't look all that great. However, a project is a work in progress!


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Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4502106
08/30/17 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted By: crainholio
The really interesting thing is the sludge buildup on the #3 bearing caps. Little to no sludge on the #1 and #5 caps...the close-up shot is the #3 cap on the exhaust cam. Seems like there may be more heat or less oil spray there.


I was looking at the same thing. Might be worth a look underneath to see if you have any galling under there.


Last edited by danez_yoda; 08/30/17 09:05 AM.
Re: Valvetrain sludge: 2007 Toyota 4Runner [Re: crainholio] #4502137
08/30/17 09:34 AM
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Looks terrible to me. This is likely the results of dino with extended OCIs. The last time I had an engine look like that was in the 60's using QS.


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