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#4501749 - 08/29/17 09:00 PM Ease my mind...
Spike555 Offline


Registered: 08/15/17
Posts: 36
Loc: West Michigan
2006 Kia Sedona, 180,000 miles, we've owned it since 132,change. I have always used Mobil 1 5w-20 and various oil filter brands, always using a high quality name brand. 5,000 mile oil changes.

My wife only drives 5,000 miles a year now, all short trips, city driving. .2 miles to/from work.
This last oil change, which was Saturday, I switched to Castrol Edge 5w-20 and a Fram Ultra oil filter.
She was going to go for a hike after I was done changing her oil, I was standing next to the van, she started it and it rattled and knocked, I had not started it to circulate the oil yet.
It ran for a few min, the noise had stopped and then she left.
Now whenever she leaves work the van makes that same noise, not all the time, but sometimes.
After I got home from work I had her start it in the driveway and it did it again, it only lasts for a second and then goes away. It only did it once, I had her restart it several times, oil level is dead on.

Now I have no idea if this has been going on for a long time or if it just started or even if it is oil related. She just noticed it yesterday.
I cannot imagine that it is oil related, but yet who knows?
What do you guys think? I'd really hate to drain out $50 worth of motor oil and dump back in another $50 of motor oil just to "see what happens"

I do not drive this van, I know she is hard on it and the short trips don't do it any favors.

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#4501753 - 08/29/17 09:05 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Spike555]
bigj_16 Offline


Registered: 07/03/17
Posts: 1267
Loc: Douglas County, Colorado
Probably coincidental. I'd throw some 10W-30 M1 HM in it, though.
It can't be very good for it, in Michigan, driving such a short distance.

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#4501756 - 08/29/17 09:07 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Spike555]
SilverFusion2010 Offline


Registered: 06/29/11
Posts: 1657
Loc: Crawfordville FL
Do you prefill the filter?

Some valve train noise is normal until oil gets up there. The first start after a change will rattle a bit longer until the filter fills up with oil and pressure comes up to normal.

Since you run good oil, a few seconds of rattle isn't a death knell. I would try to get a long drive in every couple of weeks to let the oil additives do their thing.

I wouldn't worry overmuch unless the sound changes and gets louder
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#4501760 - 08/29/17 09:10 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Spike555]
Nick1994 Online   content


Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 10107
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Are you running an OEM filter?

If not, spin on a new filter.
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#4501762 - 08/29/17 09:11 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: SilverFusion2010]
Merkava_4 Offline


Registered: 01/30/07
Posts: 17501
Loc: Clovis, CA
Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
Some valve train noise is normal until oil gets up there.


But you can minimize the noise by having an oil film there in the first place.

How much of a film 5W-20 provides I don't know.

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#4501765 - 08/29/17 09:13 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Spike555]
SilverFusion2010 Offline


Registered: 06/29/11
Posts: 1657
Loc: Crawfordville FL
An Italian tune-up may be in order. Get everything good and hot, replenish the tribofilm
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#4501766 - 08/29/17 09:13 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Nick1994]
LotI Offline


Registered: 01/01/13
Posts: 1267
Loc: America's Dairyland
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Are you running an OEM filter?

If not, spin on a new filter.

This. Kia/Hyundai make a magical filter prefilled with baby seal hide extract. Many TSB's are around for this issue
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#4501767 - 08/29/17 09:14 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Spike555]
burla Offline


Registered: 11/07/16
Posts: 255
Loc: sonoma
Research tick and synthetic oil and see what you get. Search what oil quiets an engine and see what you get. Regular oils work just fine 99% of the time, but boutique oils, as in real oils that use hearty formulas not gimmicks, give you more protection from dry starts.

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#4501771 - 08/29/17 09:16 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Spike555]
4ever4d Offline


Registered: 01/02/10
Posts: 953
Loc: North Carolina
It possibly just doesn't like the Fram Ultra. Try another filter first.
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#4501778 - 08/29/17 09:21 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Nick1994]
Mr Nice Offline


Registered: 09/12/04
Posts: 21192
Loc: Orlando, FL
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Are you running an OEM filter?

If not, spin on a new filter.


Yep, some engines are very sensitive to non OEM filters.

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#4501779 - 08/29/17 09:22 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Spike555]
doitmyself Offline


Registered: 06/03/02
Posts: 6217
Loc: MI
I would do a bit of Googling to learn about potential problems: The oil filter TSB and Kia engine noise at startup (timing chain tensioner)

https://www.google.com/search?q=kia+oil+filter+tsb&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

https://www.google.com/search?q=kia+engine+noise&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

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#4501780 - 08/29/17 09:22 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Mr Nice]
bbhero Offline


Registered: 03/20/15
Posts: 4625
Loc: Virginia
+1. ^^^^ Very true indeed.
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#4501785 - 08/29/17 09:24 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Spike555]
HangFire Offline


Registered: 08/21/13
Posts: 2506
Loc: Central Maryland
A friend has one. Something in the engine gives out around that mileage, timing guides or something like that. Sorry I don't remember the exact details. He payed the dealer a small fortune to get it fixed.
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#4501795 - 08/29/17 09:33 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Spike555]
gathermewool Offline


Registered: 01/09/09
Posts: 5987
I guess it's a good thing she would only be stranded four or five blocks from home.

I would change the oil filter.

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#4501799 - 08/29/17 09:35 PM Re: Ease my mind... [Re: Spike555]
Spike555 Offline


Registered: 08/15/17
Posts: 36
Loc: West Michigan
1-It's not a spin on oil filter.
2-I've never used a OEM filter, ever. OEM filters are made by the lowest bidder.
3-5w-20 is what it calls for, a friend of mine put 350,000 miles on his using that oil.
4-10w-30 is to thick for that engine, especially the way she drives.
5-She drives it 20miles each way to yoga once a week, as well as when she goes on hikes she drives longer, but never on the expressway, I wish she would. But she won't. I am not going ot argue, it's not worth it.
6-I've been Googling since I posted, looks like it's the timing chain tensioners.
Now I need to figure out if it's a job I'm going to do or farm out.
I only use the stealer for warranty, recall's and TSB's, never ever anything else.

Thanks for your help guys.

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