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Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference #4501646
08/29/17 06:48 PM
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Arlen Texas..... (Houston)
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Hello Yalll!!

Just wanted to inform yall of a brake bleed I did on my vehicle(few weeks ago) that had AMAZING results.
Vehicle was not very old or had many miles either, 16' lacrosse with 30k miles.
Wasn't expecting it to be so effective

Brake pedal felt very soft/mushy and took a while to engage.
Initially thought it was just cheap GM pads.

Bled the rear and had clear fluid come out.
Was going to quit but said to he-ll with it and do front.
Fronts were full of milky water fluid that wasn't quite dirty but I guess absorbed moisture.
Took a while for it to be clear.

Results were Amazing, wouldn't have expected that on such a new car.

When in doubt of your brake pedal, Bleed your Brakes!!!!


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16' Lacrosse 3.6 LFX
Oil: QSUD 5w30 & Fram Ultra
ATF: Valvoline Dex 6
Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: TX_1821] #4501669
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Air in the brake lines from the factory?

Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: TX_1821] #4501722
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Oh I see! It's a 2016 LaCrosse. At first I thought it was a 16 foot long LaCrosse. grin2

Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: Merkava_4] #4501773
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Oh I see! It's a 2016 LaCrosse. At first I thought it was a 16 foot long LaCrosse. grin2
It's actually 16 feet 5 inches!


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Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: TX_1821] #4501860
08/29/17 09:54 PM
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Something is not right. Brake fluid in a sealed system does not just absorb that much moisture in 1-2 years. Was this vehicle in a flood??

It can't be air in the lines from the factory, nobody would take delivery of a car in that state. Meaning if it started out with the air it would have had the severely mushy brakes brand new. There's no way that would go unnoticed.

I suspect there is still something wrong with the brake system, either that or your wife is trying to kill you sneakily by dumping water into your brake reservoir. eek

Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: TX_1821] #4501916
08/30/17 12:11 AM
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That's why most OEM's recommend replacing the brake fluid every two years.


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Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: Kibitoshin] #4501940
08/30/17 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted By: Kibitoshin
That's why most OEM's recommend replacing the brake fluid every two years.


No, it's not. They're just passing on the maintenance buck. You read something, completely misunderstood what you read, then went and made a mountain out of a mole hill.

No properly working brake system will have this happen within two years, usually not even 10 years to this extent, except during a rare event of extreme driving/braking where it heated up enough to vaporize what little water was in it . I don't recall reading that this situation is only when it happens.

Only people with more time and money than knowledge flush their brakes every 2 years unless they drive like they stole it and have worn out their master cylinder and calipers in that time instead of getting over triple the life out of them. You can in fact drive like that to prove this, lol.

It's a closed system. People who don't understand what that means say it absorbs moisture, unable to grasp that it needs exposure to moisture to absorb it. Closed seems to be a word they don't understand.

If this happened due to two years of not changing brake fluid, I guarantee you'd see it plastered all over the news, and massive lawsuits.

Last edited by Dave9; 08/30/17 02:04 AM.
Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: Dave9] #4501978
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Originally Posted By: Dave9
Something is not right. Brake fluid in a sealed system does not just absorb that much moisture in 1-2 years. Was this vehicle in a flood??

It can't be air in the lines from the factory, nobody would take delivery of a car in that state. Meaning if it started out with the air it would have had the severely mushy brakes brand new. There's no way that would go unnoticed.

I suspect there is still something wrong with the brake system, either that or your wife is trying to kill you sneakily by dumping water into your brake reservoir. eek


This may be the answer. Just the rear brakes on my F150 and I believe they were original (I'm the 2nd owner). It's a 2011 with 80k. I also flushed the fluid as we tow with it and the fluid came out a dark amber, almost like a light maple syrup color. No whiteness or anything like that. Seemed to help improve the pedal feel. But that's 6-7 year old fluid with 80k on it.

I think the OP should check for leaks or maybe a hose or fitting that's not right.

Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: TX_1821] #4502030
08/30/17 06:34 AM
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I don't think brake systems are sealed so well that moisture can't get in. In a very humid place like Houston I believe this could be possible.


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Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: TX_1821] #4502108
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I agree with the others- fluid should not be visibly contaminated with water or moisture at this age/mileage. Was the master cyl cap left loose at some point?

Originally Posted By: Dave9
Only people with more time and money than knowledge flush their brakes every 2 years unless they drive like they stole it and have worn out their master cylinder and calipers in that time instead of getting over triple the life out of them. You can in fact drive like that to prove this, lol.


Nissan has Brake Fluid Replacement listed as an annual service on their newer vehicles if operated under severe service. Nissan's definition of Severe Service pretty much encompasses most city driving conditions. For this reason, we recommend the brake fluid service annually and if we have no prior record of the service being performed.


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Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: TX_1821] #4502248
08/30/17 11:10 AM
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Arlen Texas..... (Houston)
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Maybe it was flooded and just not reported in autocheck or carfax.
It's clear for literally everything, however we all know it's only for what was reported.

Rear was pretty clear but front end had water.
Would have thought if water went into master cyclinder, rear would have had some water as well.

Will check lines for any leaks soon as it stops raining.

Must have bleed at around 5-6 cars and there usually dirty colored, not milky water.
Definitely peaked my interest.


Computers don't make mistakes...What they do they do on purpose"
-Dale Gribble

16' Lacrosse 3.6 LFX
Oil: QSUD 5w30 & Fram Ultra
ATF: Valvoline Dex 6
Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: TX_1821] #4502286
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Can somebody please recommend me a good one man brake bleeder


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Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: Dave9] #4502672
08/30/17 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dave9
Originally Posted By: Kibitoshin
That's why most OEM's recommend replacing the brake fluid every two years.


No, it's not. They're just passing on the maintenance buck. You read something, completely misunderstood what you read, then went and made a mountain out of a mole hill.

No properly working brake system will have this happen within two years, usually not even 10 years to this extent, except during a rare event of extreme driving/braking where it heated up enough to vaporize what little water was in it . I don't recall reading that this situation is only when it happens.

Only people with more time and money than knowledge flush their brakes every 2 years unless they drive like they stole it and have worn out their master cylinder and calipers in that time instead of getting over triple the life out of them. You can in fact drive like that to prove this, lol.

It's a closed system. People who don't understand what that means say it absorbs moisture, unable to grasp that it needs exposure to moisture to absorb it. Closed seems to be a word they don't understand.

If this happened due to two years of not changing brake fluid, I guarantee you'd see it plastered all over the news, and massive lawsuits.

Do yourself (and family) a favor and buy measuring tool that: a) measures % of moisture, b): measure boiling point.
Let us know then how it works.
When you said "closed system" you forgot that that system is still exposed to moisture primarily thru reservoir in the engine compartment.
I see bunch of people like you here in Colorado, especially on the Pikes Peak, filling insurance claims (if they are lucky).


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Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: Dave9] #4502733
08/30/17 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dave9
Originally Posted By: Kibitoshin
That's why most OEM's recommend replacing the brake fluid every two years.


No, it's not. They're just passing on the maintenance buck. You read something, completely misunderstood what you read, then went and made a mountain out of a mole hill.

No properly working brake system will have this happen within two years, usually not even 10 years to this extent, except during a rare event of extreme driving/braking where it heated up enough to vaporize what little water was in it . I don't recall reading that this situation is only when it happens.

Only people with more time and money than knowledge flush their brakes every 2 years unless they drive like they stole it and have worn out their master cylinder and calipers in that time instead of getting over triple the life out of them. You can in fact drive like that to prove this, lol.

It's a closed system. People who don't understand what that means say it absorbs moisture, unable to grasp that it needs exposure to moisture to absorb it. Closed seems to be a word they don't understand.

If this happened due to two years of not changing brake fluid, I guarantee you'd see it plastered all over the news, and massive lawsuits.
\

+1000.....I have been saying this for years. It's a SEALED system...

Re: Brake Fluid Bleed 16' Lacrosse BIG Difference [Re: edyvw] #4502736
08/30/17 07:22 PM
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Do yourself (and family) a favor and buy measuring tool that: a) measures % of moisture, b): measure boiling point.
Let us know then how it works.
When you said "closed system" you forgot that that system is still exposed to moisture primarily thru reservoir in the engine compartment.
I see bunch of people like you here in Colorado, especially on the Pikes Peak, filling insurance claims (if they are lucky). [/quote]

but Pikes Peak is an outlier. I live in the flat lands.....it's impossible to boil my brake fluid around here.

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