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Texas refineries shut down #4500749
08/28/17 08:58 PM
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But gas/diesel prices are holding steady here in the east. When the news of several large refineries shutting down due to Harvey came out, I figured fuel prices would go up all over the US.

Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: loneryder] #4500756
08/28/17 09:02 PM
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It will be interesting to see how high the prices spike.


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Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: loneryder] #4500757
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Just wait. NYMEX has been on a steady up on distilled product and crude with no home now going down 3% today. 20 cent gain in gas since last week. Was on tv about the increasing prices to start to hit soon.



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Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: loneryder] #4500767
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I know my company was braced for it but I haven heard that there have been any big issues at our terminals down there.


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Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: loneryder] #4500772
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Southeast US is going to see most of the price spike. Upper Midwest has their own refineries with crude being brought up from OK or down from ND or Canada.



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Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: loneryder] #4500791
08/28/17 09:34 PM
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I wouldn't worry about gas too much. What I am concerned about is how much money it is going to take to restore the affected areas to pre-Harvey conditions.

Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: loneryder] #4500802
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Houston being the 4th largest city has a very good industrial base versus the Katrina disaster in LU



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Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: loneryder] #4500808
08/28/17 10:01 PM
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In Florida Everytime we build a building or build a road it gets several retention ponds.
I seen none in Houston during the areal view. Even coming in to Orlando on a plane you see all the ponds it looks like your landing in a swamp.
Granted that's alot of rain but it looks like very bad planning on how to get rid of water for a coastal area.
I know Florida also rerouted all it's discharges to levies and holding ponds after severe floods when we got four in a row in 06. It was actually water coming up out of the drains flooding. It looks like that area will be in for a whole revamped storm water drainage with alot less buildings and slot more holding ponds.



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Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: oilpsi2high] #4500829
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Originally Posted By: oilpsi2high
I wouldn't worry about gas too much. What I am concerned about is how much money it is going to take to restore the affected areas to pre-Harvey conditions.


Natural disasters are unfortunate and normal. They happen somewhere in US, we fix it and move on. Cost of doing business so to speak.

Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: Panzerman] #4500842
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
In Florida Everytime we build a building or build a road it gets several retention ponds.
I seen none in Houston during the areal view. Even coming in to Orlando on a plane you see all the ponds it looks like your landing in a swamp.
Granted that's alot of rain but it looks like very bad planning on how to get rid of water for a coastal area.
I know Florida also rerouted all it's discharges to levies and holding ponds after severe floods when we got four in a row in 06. It was actually water coming up out of the drains flooding. It looks like that area will be in for a whole revamped storm water drainage with alot less buildings and slot more holding ponds.


TX in general, and Houston area in particular, have been very lax in regulating storm water management as part of development. That was my area of expertise for 20 years and I heard lots of stories about TX ...

Go-go developers were good for their economy when W was governor, but now they get to pay the price of poor planning and lax regulation ...


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Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: BrocLuno] #4500869
08/28/17 11:38 PM
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Never mind the first 22 retention ponds and then reservoirs filled with record rain from a stalled system that only moved to turn back - (BTW - prior to storm we have been lush green in mid August - wonder why??????) - the main bayous and rivers are full - but lets make this "W" - Houston is not ruled by -------- ...So tell us how you do this a few miles from the coast where it all drains south ...
I watched this radar day after day and we never had anything like this - we have a few areas flood - but the city rolls on. (I'm from here, 62 years old)
I'd gladly get rid of cheap money and illegal labor for starters if that's what you mean ...

Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: Panzerman] #4500934
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman

I seen none in Houston during the areal view. Even coming in to Orlando on a plane you see all the ponds it looks like your landing in a swamp.
Granted that's alot of rain but it looks like very bad planning on how to get rid of water for a coastal area.


The entire freeway/highway system in Houston was DESIGNED to be "drainage".
That why you see photos of traffic lights almost in the water - just doing its job.

Refineries there will be back on in 10 days.


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Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: 4WD] #4500952
08/29/17 04:43 AM
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Luckily gas is cheap enough that the minor spikes wont hurt too much. As a Houston resident I do agree there has been poor planning. A lot of houses have been built around me where the area is filled with creeks in what was once a flat prarie. Every day it seems more concrete is taking over to build another strip center or fast food joint. My house is dry but it's no coincidence. I looked at the floodplain maps before construction started.

Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: BrocLuno] #4500957
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Originally Posted By: BrocLuno
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
In Florida Everytime we build a building or build a road it gets several retention ponds.
I seen none in Houston during the areal view. Even coming in to Orlando on a plane you see all the ponds it looks like your landing in a swamp.
Granted that's alot of rain but it looks like very bad planning on how to get rid of water for a coastal area.
I know Florida also rerouted all it's discharges to levies and holding ponds after severe floods when we got four in a row in 06. It was actually water coming up out of the drains flooding. It looks like that area will be in for a whole revamped storm water drainage with alot less buildings and slot more holding ponds.


TX in general, and Houston area in particular, have been very lax in regulating storm water management as part of development. That was my area of expertise for 20 years and I heard lots of stories about TX ...

Go-go developers were good for their economy when W was governor, but now they get to pay the price of poor planning and lax regulation ...


So now it's Bush's fault ? Where have I heard that before ?


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Re: Texas refineries shut down [Re: Neely97] #4500983
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Originally Posted By: Neely97
Originally Posted By: BrocLuno
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
In Florida Everytime we build a building or build a road it gets several retention ponds.
I seen none in Houston during the areal view. Even coming in to Orlando on a plane you see all the ponds it looks like your landing in a swamp.
Granted that's alot of rain but it looks like very bad planning on how to get rid of water for a coastal area.
I know Florida also rerouted all it's discharges to levies and holding ponds after severe floods when we got four in a row in 06. It was actually water coming up out of the drains flooding. It looks like that area will be in for a whole revamped storm water drainage with alot less buildings and slot more holding ponds.


TX in general, and Houston area in particular, have been very lax in regulating storm water management as part of development. That was my area of expertise for 20 years and I heard lots of stories about TX ...

Go-go developers were good for their economy when W was governor, but now they get to pay the price of poor planning and lax regulation ...


So now it's Bush's fault ? Where have I heard that before ?



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