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So a Briggs can die... #4499799
08/27/17 08:42 PM
08/27/17 08:42 PM
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Kansas, USA
Eric Smith Offline OP
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Got this for free from my gpa back in 01-02 and is 98 model according to the serial number. He got it out of Tulsa I think for $20. I got another one from him similar (non-self-propelled) a few years back and only used it a couple times since then. Let my dad use it at my other grandma's till they sold the place. They've used it for over a month and has ran normal in this time. Last week he was half way through the backyard and it went bang! and metal started falling out of the bottom and started slinging oil... mom heard it over her mower in the front! Didn't die right away either!

Perfectly maintained and never used any oil. Oil was perfect and new. Interesting I've never had a mower die outside of the deck falling apart. It'll be many months till I get back down there and actually get to look at it. And no he didn't hit anything.. there wasn't any ruts to hit in that yard! I guess it doesn't owe us anything at this point lol ..



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Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: Eric Smith] #4499805
08/27/17 08:49 PM
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It might have lasted longer if you didn't do all those burn-outs, jeesh look at that bald LF tire! the poor thing!


It could be said that you got all your money out of that one.


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Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: KGMtech] #4499811
08/27/17 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: KGMtech
It might have lasted longer if you didn't do all those burn-outs, jeesh look at that bald LF tire! the poor thing!



A lot of left turns on that one. Wonder if it lost governor control and just over-sped?


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Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: Eric Smith] #4499888
08/27/17 10:32 PM
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I think you got your money's worth


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Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: 901Memphis] #4499994
08/28/17 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
I think you got your money's worth


Me too.


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Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: Eric Smith] #4500011
08/28/17 05:17 AM
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Well now I'm nervous! I have that exact same mower and have been using it for about 10 years now. Found it in my mother in law's shed after she died.


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Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: Eric Smith] #4500027
08/28/17 06:03 AM
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My sister had one like that. Had the 6.5hp motor and the crank broke in two.


Don't waste your time on a slipshod repair.
Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: vwmaniaman] #4500108
08/28/17 08:15 AM
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I've seen lots of dead Briggs engines myself.

IMO Briggs is not what they used to be. The new stuff is [censored], especially the Inteks.

From valve issues, to failing governors, poorly designed non-adjustable carbs with hot-start issues, they're junk. Not to mention Briggs doesn't have service manuals online and their parts are priced like gold.

But what other choice do we have for small engines? Kohler? Lol no thanks. Honda? Decent but way too much $, same with Kawasaki, great engines, but stupid expensive.

Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: Eric Smith] #4500125
08/28/17 08:41 AM
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I concur, Briggs is far from top notch. That's why you see them on economy priced machines. Any high dollar machine will have a Honda GX, Subaru, Kawasaki, etc.


That said, on my personal machines, I've had mixed luck with them. Some have been fine, others have been trouble. 2 broke their cranks, another dropped valve seats.

[censored], Tecumseh motors were A LOT more crude than Briggs was, and I still had better luck with the Tecs.


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Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: Canadastang] #4500139
08/28/17 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted By: Canadastang

IMO Briggs is not what they used to be. The new stuff is [censored], especially the Inteks.
From valve issues, to failing governors, poorly designed non-adjustable carbs with hot-start issues, they're junk. Not to mention Briggs doesn't have service manuals online and their parts are priced like gold.


1) Aluminum connecting rods are "Fatigue Life Components".... every time it swings, it's life gets shorter.
2) Briggs keeps cutting corners to make their engines cheaper to buy. Tecumseh is pretty much out of the picture and has been for years. The chinese engines are coming on strong now.

Originally Posted By: Canadastang
But what other choice do we have for small engines? Kohler? Lol no thanks. Honda? Decent but way too much $, same with Kawasaki, great engines, but stupid expensive.


Kohler Command = yes, excellent.
Kohler Courage = chinese garbage.


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Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: emmett442] #4500147
08/28/17 09:01 AM
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Briggs Vangaurd was a decent engine - but guess the cost keeps them off a number of things.

Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: emmett442] #4500148
08/28/17 09:03 AM
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Texas
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I have mowed my whole life with B&S engines and still do - I'm not having issues with anything but Chonda motors.

Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: Eric Smith] #4500297
08/28/17 11:37 AM
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1978 16hp SynchroBalanced vertical twin Briggs...still going strong.Original points too!

Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: Eric Smith] #4500433
08/28/17 02:01 PM
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Briggs can die like anything else, even with proper maintenance.

From the bald front tire, it looks like that mower has either a ton of hours, or was used on a hill. Splash lubricated engines that are used on hills are usually more likely to have connecting rod failures due to oil starvation. I've seen a number of horizontal Kohler K-series engines and Tecumseh snow engines have connecting rod failures from this.

I also saw a newer Subaru/Robin engine last week where the crankshaft snapped in half from a materials failure, so anything is possible. LOL


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Re: So a Briggs can die... [Re: Eric Smith] #4500473
08/28/17 03:29 PM
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It's impressive the deck is still mostly solid and everything is still attached to it at ~20yrs old. IMO, there's nothing bad about a Briggs flat head for this application and size of engine.


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