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NOACK - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 #4495381
08/22/17 04:38 PM
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agpatel Offline OP
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Below is a NOACK results for Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 - from the same bottle I did a VOA from. NOACK value came in below anything I would of expected and wonder if its a highly variable test...

Link to VOA: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthr...o_5#Post4435754


Re: NOACK - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 [Re: agpatel] #4495425
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It is highly variable, but that seems a bit much. wink


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: NOACK - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 [Re: agpatel] #4495474
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I've heard NOACK is hard to nail down. Variable, as they say.
This is ridiculous.

Re: NOACK - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 [Re: agpatel] #4495564
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Noack of 3.6.
Wonder if they repeat the test if they have doubts.


1988 Mazda RX7 na PP 10w30 Noack 4.7
1994 Chrysler Concorde 3.3
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Re: NOACK - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 [Re: merconvvv] #4495580
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Originally Posted By: merconvvv
Noack of 3.6.
Wonder if they repeat the test if they have doubts.

ASTM D5800 would specify a statistically valid number of samples either in the test itself or in some ancillary publication. It would also state if the test is prone to unusual variability.

It would also give reporting requirements for accuracy, which I assume Precision Petroleum Labs has followed when giving their result.


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Re: NOACK - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 [Re: agpatel] #4495582
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The pp 5w40 is probably close to a 10w40. Add in lil variability n u get 3.6 ????


1988 Mazda RX7 na PP 10w30 Noack 4.7
1994 Chrysler Concorde 3.3
1999 Ford Expedition 4.6 QSUD 10W30 NOACK 5.0
Re: NOACK - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 [Re: agpatel] #4495618
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I have asked what procedure was used, there are three options per the spec (A,B, and C) - see below regarding potential difference. If Procedure A was used it would explain the low value plus variability. I have typically seen B when looking at oil specs.

Quote:
1.1 This test method covers three procedures for determining the evaporation loss of lubricating oils (particularly engine oils). Procedure A uses the Noack evaporative tester equipment; Procedure B uses the automated non-Woods metal Noack evaporative apparatus; and Procedure C uses Selby-Noack volatility test equipment. The test method relates to one set of operating conditions but may be readily adapted to other conditions when required.

1.2 Noack results determined using Procedures A and B show consistent differences. Procedure A gives slightly lower results versus Procedure B on formulated engine oils, while Procedure A gives higher results versus Procedure B on basestocks.

Re: NOACK - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 [Re: agpatel] #4496016
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Did confirm that Method A was used.

Re: NOACK - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 [Re: agpatel] #4496138
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Yeah, that seems low. It should be around 6.2% according to SOPUS.


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Re: NOACK - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 [Re: agpatel] #4496154
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Maybe the formulation changed to pass the newest BMW LL-01 certification? I remember one poster indicated the test had changed fairly recently.

Re: NOACK - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 [Re: Quattro Pete] #4611927
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Yeah, that seems low. It should be around 6.2% according to SOPUS.


Remind me, did SOPUS actually provide that value? Thought it was from a Russian site.

Trying to determine my way ahead for oil in my 135, and a 6ish% NOACK is one of my criteria.

OP, thanks for doing this!

Re: NOACK - Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 [Re: JHZR2] #4616077
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Yeah, that seems low. It should be around 6.2% according to SOPUS.


Remind me, did SOPUS actually provide that value? Thought it was from a Russian site.

It was provided to me via email from a SOPUS product manager. It was a couple of years ago though, so who knows if it's still applicable.


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'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
'18 Charger SRT (PUP 0W-40 SRT)
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