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#4495816 - 08/23/17 05:56 AM Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost
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Registered: 08/22/17
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Loc: Mt. Vernon, NY


This is a recent UOA from Blackstone for my Fusion. I currently have another sample on its way to Blackstone. I will update this post when that report comes back. I had a spike in iron on my oil change in February and that number has decreased since. What could potentially be the cause of that and what parts are made of iron in the engine?
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#4495843 - 08/23/17 06:47 AM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: ssamaroo01]
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Originally Posted By: ssamaroo01
what parts are made of iron in the engine?

Crankshaft, camshafts, connecting rods, timing chain, timing chain sprockets are some of the major iron parts.
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#4495856 - 08/23/17 07:10 AM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: ssamaroo01]
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Originally Posted By: ssamaroo01
I had a spike in iron on my oil change in February and that number has decreased since. What could potentially be the cause of that and what parts are made of iron in the engine?

Cold ambient temperatures in winter months leading up to February could cause increased corrosion wear rates ......
I speculate, mainly from cylinder liners and cam lobes, among others.

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#4495870 - 08/23/17 07:29 AM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: zeng]
ssamaroo01 Offline


Registered: 08/22/17
Posts: 51
Loc: Mt. Vernon, NY
Originally Posted By: zeng
Originally Posted By: ssamaroo01
I had a spike in iron on my oil change in February and that number has decreased since. What could potentially be the cause of that and what parts are made of iron in the engine?

Cold ambient temperatures in winter months leading up to February could cause increased corrosion wear rates ......
I speculate, mainly from cylinder liners and cam lobes, among others.


So it is normal to see increase wear in colder months. Would longer idling times during winter months further increase wear even more. I usually let it idle for about 5 minutes before driving in temperatures below freezing.
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#4495905 - 08/23/17 08:06 AM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: ssamaroo01]
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That engine, with turbo, is actually breaking apart some of the chemicals that hold the viscosity (thickness) high when hot, known as VII (viscosity index improver) chemicals, resulting in low hot viscosity here. I think that is why Ford specifies the use of 5w30 instead of 5w20 in this particular engine, because they expect this to happen and the engine has plenty of ability to cope well with lower viscosity when it happens.

Iron comes from so many steel parts inside your engine. Its friggin' everywhere. I replaced my normal drain plug with a strong magnetic drain plug for the purposes of grabbing any iron (Fe) particles floating by in the night.... Brands 'Dimple' or 'GoldPlug', google that to buy online, are the best.

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#4495910 - 08/23/17 08:10 AM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: oil_film_movies]
ssamaroo01 Offline


Registered: 08/22/17
Posts: 51
Loc: Mt. Vernon, NY
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
That engine, with turbo, is actually breaking apart some of the chemicals that hold the viscosity (thickness) high when hot, known as VII (viscosity index improver) chemicals, resulting in low hot viscosity here. I think that is why Ford specifies the use of 5w30 instead of 5w20 in this particular engine, because they expect this to happen and the engine has plenty of ability to cope well with lower viscosity when it happens.

Iron comes from so many steel parts inside your engine. Its friggin' everywhere. I replaced my normal drain plug with a strong magnetic drain plug for the purposes of grabbing any iron (Fe) particles floating by in the night.... Brands 'Dimple' or 'GoldPlug', google that to buy online, are the best.


Thank you for that explanation. I will be ordering a GoldPlug soon.
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#4495937 - 08/23/17 08:47 AM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: zeng]
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Originally Posted By: ssamaroo01
Originally Posted By: zeng
Originally Posted By: ssamaroo01
I had a spike in iron on my oil change in February and that number has decreased since. What could potentially be the cause of that and what parts are made of iron in the engine?

Cold ambient temperatures in winter months leading up to February could cause increased corrosion wear rates ......
I speculate, mainly from cylinder liners and cam lobes, among others.


So it is normal to see increase wear in colder months. Would longer idling times during winter months further increase wear even more. I usually let it idle for about 5 minutes before driving in temperatures below freezing.


This would be my guess as well. Winter weather. Letting it warm up for 5 minutes won't hurt the engine.
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#4495943 - 08/23/17 08:49 AM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: volk06]
ssamaroo01 Offline


Registered: 08/22/17
Posts: 51
Loc: Mt. Vernon, NY
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: ssamaroo01
Originally Posted By: zeng
Originally Posted By: ssamaroo01
I had a spike in iron on my oil change in February and that number has decreased since. What could potentially be the cause of that and what parts are made of iron in the engine?

Cold ambient temperatures in winter months leading up to February could cause increased corrosion wear rates ......
I speculate, mainly from cylinder liners and cam lobes, among others.


So it is normal to see increase wear in colder months. Would longer idling times during winter months further increase wear even more. I usually let it idle for about 5 minutes before driving in temperatures below freezing.


This would be my guess as well. Winter weather. Letting it warm up for 5 minutes won't hurt the engine.

Yes I have remote start and I do idle for about 5 minutes when temps dip below freezing.
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#4495958 - 08/23/17 09:04 AM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: oil_film_movies]
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
That engine, with turbo, is actually breaking apart some of the chemicals that hold the viscosity (thickness) high when hot, known as VII (viscosity index improver) chemicals, resulting in low hot viscosity here. I think that is why Ford specifies the use of 5w30 instead of 5w20 in this particular engine, because they expect this to happen and the engine has plenty of ability to cope well with lower viscosity when it happens.

Iron comes from so many steel parts inside your engine. Its friggin' everywhere. I replaced my normal drain plug with a strong magnetic drain plug for the purposes of grabbing any iron (Fe) particles floating by in the night.... Brands 'Dimple' or 'GoldPlug', google that to buy online, are the best.


While some shearing may have occurred, the majority of the reduced viscosity is likely caused by fuel dilution that is common in TGDI engines. Keep in mind that, because of its methodology, Blackstone is essentially useless when it comes to quantifying fuel dilution.

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#4496188 - 08/23/17 03:02 PM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: Danh]
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Originally Posted By: Danh


While some shearing may have occurred, the majority of the reduced viscosity is likely caused by fuel dilution that is common in TGDI engines. Keep in mind that, because of its methodology, Blackstone is essentially useless when it comes to quantifying fuel dilution.


What does Blackstone do wrong in regards to fuel dilution? I've read this repeatedly and don't understand the problem, when they explicitly state fuel % in each report. Is the number just wrong?
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#4496196 - 08/23/17 03:10 PM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: Danh]
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Registered: 06/13/16
Posts: 2559
Loc: MN
Originally Posted By: Danh
While some shearing may have occurred, the majority of the reduced viscosity is likely caused by fuel dilution that is common in TGDI engines. Keep in mind that, because of its methodology, Blackstone is essentially useless when it comes to quantifying fuel dilution.

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/19/flash-point-test explains.
Blackstone infers fuel dilution % from the reduction in flashpoint.
In this case, I'm guessing new Motorcraft Synthetic oil flashes at about 440 degrees F (like Mobil1), and in this used oil case it dropped to 400 deg F, which does indicate some small amount of fuel dilution, but I'm not sure what figure Blackstone used for the expected value of new oil.
So its a little fuzzy doing it that way.


Edited by oil_film_movies (08/23/17 03:11 PM)

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#4496404 - 08/23/17 07:44 PM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: ssamaroo01]
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Registered: 03/19/12
Posts: 344
Loc: Washington, USA
Good to see a report with MC oil in the Ecoboost. We don't get too many of those here. That iron blip is strange for your samples, but not high overall compared to some other reports we have seen.

Are all of the reports shown with MC oil? It might be fun to see how another oil holds up.

Thanks for sharing
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#4496414 - 08/23/17 07:52 PM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: dogememe]
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Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 24574
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: dogememe
What does Blackstone do wrong in regards to fuel dilution? I've read this repeatedly and don't understand the problem, when they explicitly state fuel % in each report. Is the number just wrong?

They basically make an interpretation based upon flashpoint, if I recall correctly.
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#4496644 - 08/24/17 05:56 AM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: Onug]
ssamaroo01 Offline


Registered: 08/22/17
Posts: 51
Loc: Mt. Vernon, NY
Originally Posted By: Onug
Good to see a report with MC oil in the Ecoboost. We don't get too many of those here. That iron blip is strange for your samples, but not high overall compared to some other reports we have seen.

Are all of the reports shown with MC oil? It might be fun to see how another oil holds up.

Thanks for sharing


No problem! The first oil change was done by the dealer and they filled it up with MC Blend. That sample was changed, analyzed and dated 9/28/15. The next two oil changes dated 12/5/15 and 3/12/16 are RP. After that, I've been exclusively MC F/S and those results are shown on the report at the beginning of this thread.


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#4497410 - 08/24/17 11:33 PM Re: Motorcraft F/S 5W-30 - 2015 Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost [Re: ssamaroo01]
Onug Offline


Registered: 03/19/12
Posts: 344
Loc: Washington, USA
Great info...I can't wait to have a similar set of data for my truck. You're driving 30,000 miles a year, so that adds up quickly.

On a side note, EB motors are known for being hard on spark plugs. The general consensus on the Ford forum I frequent is it's best to change them every 50,000 miles.
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