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How soon can I sample oil? #4493251
08/19/17 08:40 PM
08/19/17 08:40 PM
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Olathe, KS
CARJ Offline OP
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I am having a coolant loss issue on my 4runner and suspect it could be a leaking head gasket. It's only been 550 miles since my last oil change but I want to send a sample off to confirm my suspicions. So, how many miles should I put on the oil before taking the sample?


2004 Toyota 4Runner | 180k | PYB 5w-30, PH3614
2012 VW Passat | 85k | PPHM/Redline 5w-30, XG9911
Re: How soon can I sample oil? [Re: CARJ] #4493253
08/19/17 08:43 PM
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How much coolant have you lost in 550 miles? If the leak is bad enough and finding its way into the oil 550 miles should be plenty. A very slow leak will probably take more miles to show up.

Another easier and faster way to find out is with a cooling system pressure tester. That will tell you if you have a bad head gasket in a matter of minutes.


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Re: How soon can I sample oil? [Re: CARJ] #4493257
08/19/17 08:48 PM
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CARJ Offline OP
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The coolant overflow bottle was empty the other day and I don't think I had topped it off since the oil change. I've tried all the tests and they are negative, but the coolant is still going somewhere. I figured a sample of the oil would tell me one way or the other.

Not sure if it matters, but the 550 miles has taken 6-7 weeks to accumulate. I do a ton of short trips.


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Re: How soon can I sample oil? [Re: CARJ] #4493275
08/19/17 09:34 PM
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Sample now; if it is leaking into the oil it should show up. I had a coolant leak awhile back; Blackstone recommended a 2k OCI until repaired...


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Re: How soon can I sample oil? [Re: CARJ] #4493280
08/19/17 09:46 PM
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V6 4Runner? Been there, done that unfortunately. Mine (2005) failed at only 88k miles. Cylinder six misfire like all the others out there...
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2371546

The numbers in that post are of a sample with 2300 miles on it.

I fixed it six years ago and have put about 40k on the vehicle since with no issues.

Re: How soon can I sample oil? [Re: CARJ] #4493283
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CARJ Offline OP
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Sample I shall. Thanks all.


2004 Toyota 4Runner | 180k | PYB 5w-30, PH3614
2012 VW Passat | 85k | PPHM/Redline 5w-30, XG9911
Re: How soon can I sample oil? [Re: CARJ] #4493417
08/20/17 06:50 AM
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Donald Offline
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A coolant UV dye might be useful also. Also with a UV flashlight and yellow glasses.


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Re: How soon can I sample oil? [Re: CARJ] #4493525
08/20/17 09:15 AM
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How much do you want to spend? You can sample every 100 miles if you want to pay for it.


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Re: How soon can I sample oil? [Re: CARJ] #4493580
08/20/17 10:28 AM
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Had mine done on the 86 Olds Calais 2.5 [128,ooo miles] after getting it back from my brother. The sample I sent in was said to have indicators of coolant, but the head gasket had been changed before I bought it.

Blackstone said to sample it again in 1000 miles, as well as change it to be certain the contaminants were completely removed . I only have 100 miles or so on the fresh oil and filter as well as old coolant flush and replacement so CARJ's question is timely.

The odd thing is, I was suspicious of losing coolant back when I first owned the car from 92-99. It seemed to disappear at a slow rate. Parents drove it for six, then little bro for 11, before having to do a head gasket replacement some time in the past year or two.

Sample oil was very black, but the car will be going in for a total mechanical probe in the next couple of weeks.

Thanks for bringing up the question CARJ.


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